Info on Kyler Burke (aquired in Barrett trade)

[TruffleShuffle]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

[Soriano12]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

 

And I also read a little league type field too, somewhere. Cubs scouts vs Padres scouts, I'm gonna go with the Padres...if they are giving up on a first rounder this fast, don't you think they saw something last year that makes them think the odds are against him at the next level?

[YearofDaCubs]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

The fact that he was playing against poor competition might have made him look real good but when compared to other players paying against great competition he might look mediocre. If that's the case there is a possibility that he is in way over his head. I'm sure there is a reason why the Padres gave this guy up. I'm not saying he doesn't have a future but so far his current progress isn't good.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

The fact that he was playing against poor competition might have made him look real good but when compared to other players paying against great competition he might look mediocre. If that's the case there is a possibility that he is in way over his head. I'm sure there is a reason why the Padres gave this guy up. I'm not saying he doesn't have a future but so far his current progress isn't good.

 

 

Yeah, the reason they gave him up is that he's a guy who's struggling, and there's probably a 95% chance that he doesn't improve enough to become a major league regular. Still, I'd rather the Cubs trade for a high-ceiling player than a middling guy who projects as (at best) a fourth outfielder or utility infielder. We already have enough of those guys.

[YearofDaCubs]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

The fact that he was playing against poor competition might have made him look real good but when compared to other players paying against great competition he might look mediocre. If that's the case there is a possibility that he is in way over his head. I'm sure there is a reason why the Padres gave this guy up. I'm not saying he doesn't have a future but so far his current progress isn't good.

 

 

Yeah, the reason they gave him up is that he's a guy who's struggling, and there's probably a 95% chance that he doesn't improve enough to become a major league regular. Still, I'd rather the Cubs trade for a high-ceiling player than a middling guy who projects as (at best) a fourth outfielder or utility infielder. We already have enough of those guys.

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[Guest]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

He has been abysmal at Ft. Wayne - but he's way over his head. Padres sure were rushing him.

 

Speaking of Ft. Wayne, how are the two pitchers that the Cubs got in the Scott Williamson deal doing? Are they still around?

 

Joel Santo is still in the system and doing poorly at high-A Daytona as a starting pitcher (54 IP, 5.50 ERA, 31 K/29 BB, .309 BAA). I'm pretty sure Jiminez is out of the system because I haven't seen mention of him amongst the injured at Fitch.

 

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Joel%2520Santo&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453651 <--Joel Santo

[Guest]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

 

And I also read a little league type field too, somewhere. Cubs scouts vs Padres scouts, I'm gonna go with the Padres...if they are giving up on a first rounder this fast, don't you think they saw something last year that makes them think the odds are against him at the next level?

 

What have the Padres scouts done that's great? Antonelli and what?

 

Bush? Whoops. Stauffer? Whoops.

 

They rushed this kid, he should be at short-A. I don't see it as giving up on him. Look how long they took to move Bush to the mound.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

Not really. He has been complete crap so far in the minors.

 

and he's a teenaged player coming from a region where he faced relatively poor competition in high school. I'm not saying he's a future star, but he does have some tools that the scouts like, and most raw 19 year old players would have been playing at short-season A-ball, not the Midwest League.

 

He was just as bad in rookie ball.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

But it's an athletic feat that doesn't have any bearing on the other.

 

It'd be like putting that you once solved a Rubik's cube on your resume. It may show you're good at something that requires a level of intelligence, but it doesn't show you have the experience to do something else that requires intelligence.

 

It shows his athletic ability, organizations use the SPARQ tests in baseball.

 

Vertical leap is one aspect of it. It's just another tool of many to grade a prospect on.

 

http://www.crossoveracademy.net/sparq.htm

 

Well I'll take your word for it....I still have difficulty though seeing how dunking a basketball translates into hitting a baseball. Michael Jordan didn't exactly turn out too hot as far as baseball goes... :P

 

I wouldn't confuse the fact that baseball organizations note such accomplishments with the fact that it's worth a damn.

 

It's a pointless observation.

[CubinNY]

I think it's safe to say some of the commentary on him in the transaction thread (including calling him abysmal) was a bit premature.

 

I don't think it is "safe" to say that at all.

 

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

The statement says nothing about his future.

[jersey cubs fan]

By the way.

 

Kyler? Seriously?

[moorecg]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

[TruffleShuffle]

He was just as bad in rookie ball.

 

Again, not a great prospect. Very low chance of being a MLB player. But I'd prefer a guy like him to trading for another Sam Fuld or Ryan Theriot... we have mediocre MLB talent out the butt already, don't need more low-ceiling guys (which oh by the way, we keep drafting).

[CubinNY]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

[moorecg]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

[Soriano12]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

 

Yeah, but Dunn does this thing called "Hit for Power"

[Guest]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

 

I don't see how they are comparable. Sure, both strike out a lot, but Dunn is posting a .267/.358/.558/.916 line in the big leagues compared to Burke's .211/.305/.268/.572 in the Midwest League.

[CubinNY]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

No you are attempting to make a really bad compairson between one of the best hitters in MLB and a 19 year old who can't hold his own in low A ball.

 

AT age 19 Dunn played 93 games in low A and struck out 64 times. He also posted a line of .307/.409/.476/.885 with 11 HRs.

 

If Kyle Buke can do that next year I will be ecstatic.

Edited June 20, 2007 by CubinNY

[hawkeyecub]

 

Again, not a great prospect. Very low chance of being a MLB player. But I'd prefer a guy like him to trading for another Sam Fuld or Ryan Theriot... we have mediocre MLB talent out the butt already, don't need more low-ceiling guys.

 

I agree.

[moorecg]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

No you are attempting to make a really bad compairson between one of the best hitters in MLB and a 19 year old who can't hold his own in low A ball.

 

Not at all...nowhere have I ever said that he's Adam dunn...you just made a blanket statement that "Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal." (that's a direct quote)...and I just thougth it worthy of note that that's not always correct...and that just measuring # of Ks is not a good way to evaluate a guy.

[CubinNY]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

No you are attempting to make a really bad compairson between one of the best hitters in MLB and a 19 year old who can't hold his own in low A ball.

 

Not at all...nowhere have I ever said that he's Adam dunn...you just made a blanket statement that "Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal." (that's a direct quote)...and I just thougth it worthy of note that that's not always correct...and that just measuring # of Ks is not a good way to evaluate a guy.

 

It is when he's also sporting these numbers .211/.305/.268/.572

[jersey cubs fan]

Not at all...nowhere have I ever said that he's Adam dunn...you just made a blanket statement that "Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal." (that's a direct quote)...and I just thougth it worthy of note that that's not always correct...and that just measuring # of Ks is not a good way to evaluate a guy.

 

Generally speaking you're right, such a blanket statement isn't all that accurate. However, for guys in the low minors to strike out so frequently, it's a huge warning sign. Major leaguers who produce good numbers but strikeout a lot are perfectly acceptable. Minor leaguers who K a lot put up a red flag. Minor leaguers who K a lot and don't produce worth a crap are really big red flags.

[moorecg]

Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal. There is no way to sugar coat the performance. It sucks.

 

 

How do you feel about Adam Dunn?

I love Adam Dunn. Why do you ask?

 

Are you trying to equate Kyler with Dunn?

 

Just saying he's struck out a lot more times than games played (94Ks in 70 games)...so I guess he's abysmal too.

No you are attempting to make a really bad compairson between one of the best hitters in MLB and a 19 year old who can't hold his own in low A ball.

 

Not at all...nowhere have I ever said that he's Adam dunn...you just made a blanket statement that "Striking out more times than the number of games you've appeaed in is abysmal." (that's a direct quote)...and I just thougth it worthy of note that that's not always correct...and that just measuring # of Ks is not a good way to evaluate a guy.

 

It is when he's also sporting these numbers .211/.305/.268/.572

 

Well...when you say that...its better.

 

I still say if the kid is 19 and one year removed from the draft it doesn't hurt to give him a chance...there is a reason he got drafted so high, and some kids take some time to adjust to being away from home...who knows...he's not worth getting upset about and has a chance to be pretty good.

[Brendan]

i wonder if this is another 'trust tim wilken' moment.

[Guest]

I still say if the kid is 19 and one year removed from the draft it doesn't hurt to give him a chance...there is a reason he got drafted so high, and some kids take some time to adjust to being away from home...who knows...he's not worth getting upset about and has a chance to be pretty good.

 

He's clearly over his head...the Padres were rushing him. I'd like to see how he'd do at short-season.