Cubs trade Barrett to Padres for Rob Bowen & Kyler Burke

[hawkeyecub]

FWIW I think Bowen is overrated here...He is complete and utter crap.

 

I've seen the arguments for him spelled out...can you do the same from the other side?

 

703 career OPS.

 

Cause that .756 career OPS for a terrible defensive catcher is astounding

 

Bowen is also terrible defensive catcher.

 

Really, you're sticking to that huh? Just because he hasn't thrown out baserunners while catching a staff that's notorious for their inability to hold runners?

 

You make generalizations and rush to judgment on things which you aren't very familiar with more than anyone I've seen on this board. Keep ignoring those scouting reports talking about his defensive ability though.

[HoopsCubs]

My initial reaction is to think this is an ok move IF it's a precurser to another move to upgrade offensively at SS or RF, as a few others have said. They really can't afford to give up offense for defense at this point.

 

Sounds like the Cubs made a final decision that Barrett wouldn't be back after the 2007 season, and wanted to cut ties now. Maybe it's a precursor to Zambrano signing an extension. Maybe some horsetrading went on like "I'll sign a hometown discount deal, if you get rid of that guy."

[98navigator]

So not only do we give up Barret but we get a crappy catcher and prospect AND give cash to them! Another work of art from Jimbo.

 

no, it's reported that the Padres are giving the cash

Not according to the link I posted a minute ago from SD.

 

I just heard on the radio that the Cubs are getting cash

[seanimal]

My initial reaction is to think this is an ok move IF it's a precurser to another move to upgrade offensively at SS or RF, as a few others have said. They really can't afford to give up offense for defense at this point.

 

Agreed.

they did free up a lot of money and got straight cash in this deal, so ive heard so far, so hopefully it leads to another bat somewhere else

 

We have a winner

[jersey cubs fan]

Sounds like a defense and chemistry trade to me, which I don't like.

 

I think they are also sacrificing offense, which they can't afford to do.

 

But I've never really liked Barrett, and I wanted him to walk at the end of the year anyway. At least this pretty much guarantees they don't do something stupid like offer him a longterm contract this November.

 

I don't like that catcher is now manned by nothing but defensive backup kind of catchers. A bunch of 8 hitters on a team already dealing with 8 hitters at SS.

 

I don't think this trade makes the Cubs any better.

[YearofDaCubs]

My initial reaction is to think this is an ok move IF it's a precurser to another move to upgrade offensively at SS or RF, as a few others have said. They really can't afford to give up offense for defense at this point.

 

Agreed.

they did free up a lot of money and got straight cash in this deal, so ive heard so far, so hopefully it leads to another bat somewhere else

I'm not so convinced. There are conflicting reports who is sending the money.

[The Voice of Reason]

Anybody think it's worth noting the huge ERA increase by Cub pitchers when Barrett caught? Possible correlation or just coincidence?

 

Oh, jesus. I should just leave this thread before I end up spending half my day here.

 

OK, I'll check the "coincidence box" for you.

[ctcf]

How can people criticize a deal they don't actually know all the details of?

 

I love this board.

 

Because everyone on here would be the best GM in the history of the game. :roll:

I guess spewing hyperbole and arguing over facts not actually confirmed counts as talking baseball these days.

 

Come on, CT. Who else is going to be included that will make this trade different? We know it's Bowen and a prospect. The Padres system is a known quantity and it's not that strong. It's Barrett for Bowen and a mid-level prospect.

I'm sorry for waiting for sources I trust. While the reports of Bowen and Burke are true, this is not always the case. I'm just skeptical by nature I suppose and prefer to wait until I have actual confirmation before I go off making assumptions and thus avoid ranting about how Hendry's an idiot for trading EPatt.

 

People are going to discuss things based on the information they have. No need to get your feathers all ruffled about it.

 

Actually that was me mocking, not being upset.

[Soriano12]

FWIW I think Bowen is overrated here...He is complete and utter crap.

 

I've seen the arguments for him spelled out...can you do the same from the other side?

 

703 career OPS.

 

Cause that .756 career OPS for a terrible defensive catcher is astounding

 

Bowen is also terrible defensive catcher.

 

Really, you're sticking to that huh? Just because he hasn't thrown out baserunners while catching a staff that's notorious for their inability to hold runners?

 

You make generalizations and rush to judgment on things which you aren't very familiar with more than anyone I've seen on this board. Keep ignoring those scouting reports talking about his defensive ability though.

 

Maddux is the only one on that staff that can't hold runners. To throw their pitching staff out as an excuse for his peformance behind the plate is a copout.

 

And as I stated earlier, the San Diego broadcast team and color analysts couldn't wait for this guy to get out of town. And they follow the team on a daily basis.

[Sammy Sofa]

How did EPatt's name even come up in the first place? That was scary.

[seanimal]

Anybody think it's worth noting the huge ERA increase by Cub pitchers when Barrett caught? Possible correlation or just coincidence?

 

Oh, jesus. I should just leave this thread before I end up spending half my day here.

 

OK, I'll check the "coincidence box" for you.

 

As TT says, "Correlation != Causation"

[hawkeyecub]

Sounds like a defense and chemistry trade to me, which I don't like.

 

I think they are also sacrificing offense, which they can't afford to do.

 

But I've never really liked Barrett, and I wanted him to walk at the end of the year anyway. At least this pretty much guarantees they don't do something stupid like offer him a longterm contract this November.

 

I don't like that catcher is now manned by nothing but defensive backup kind of catchers. A bunch of 8 hitters on a team already dealing with 8 hitters at SS.

 

I don't think this trade makes the Cubs any better.

 

I agree for the most part, but am I the only one who thinks it appears that Bowen has some offensive upside? He's been productive at appropriate ages for his level a few years.

 

I don't know about him long-term, but I think he can be at least adequate at catcher if not a little better.

[Chocolate Milk]

Anybody think it's worth noting the huge ERA increase by Cub pitchers when Barrett caught? Possible correlation or just coincidence?

 

Oh, jesus. I should just leave this thread before I end up spending half my day here.

 

OK, I'll check the "coincidence box" for you.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to snap at you but I have had this conversation a bunch of times in the last few months.

[seanimal]

How did EPatt's name even come up in the first place? That was scary.

 

yes, yes it was.

[Derwood]

FWIW I think Bowen is overrated here...He is complete and utter crap.

 

I've seen the arguments for him spelled out...can you do the same from the other side?

 

703 career OPS.

 

Cause that .756 career OPS for a terrible defensive catcher is astounding

 

Bowen is also terrible defensive catcher.

 

Really, you're sticking to that huh? Just because he hasn't thrown out baserunners while catching a staff that's notorious for their inability to hold runners?

 

You make generalizations and rush to judgment on things which you aren't very familiar with more than anyone I've seen on this board. Keep ignoring those scouting reports talking about his defensive ability though.

 

Maddux is the only one on that staff that can't hold runners. To throw their pitching staff out as an excuse for his peformance behind the plate is a copout.

 

And as I stated earlier, the San Diego broadcast team and color analysts couldn't wait for this guy to get out of town. And they follow the team on a daily basis.

 

so what? Marty Brenneman would buy the plane ticket to get Adam Dunn out of town, does that mean he sucks too?

[Sammy Sofa]

Maddux is the only one on that staff that can't hold runners. To throw their pitching staff out as an excuse for his peformance behind the plate is a copout.

 

Wells is terrible at holding runners.

[Banedon]

Anybody think it's worth noting the huge ERA increase by Cub pitchers when Barrett caught? Possible correlation or just coincidence?

 

Oh, jesus. I should just leave this thread before I end up spending half my day here.

 

Come on...you wanna argue CERA...you know you do...give in to the dark side...

 

Besides, you know you're gonna be here all day anyway....

[seanimal]

i wish this would have waited until after i finished my english paper

[YearofDaCubs]

FWIW I think Bowen is overrated here...He is complete and utter crap.

 

I've seen the arguments for him spelled out...can you do the same from the other side?

 

703 career OPS.

 

Cause that .756 career OPS for a terrible defensive catcher is astounding

 

Bowen is also terrible defensive catcher.

 

Really, you're sticking to that huh? Just because he hasn't thrown out baserunners while catching a staff that's notorious for their inability to hold runners?

 

You make generalizations and rush to judgment on things which you aren't very familiar with more than anyone I've seen on this board. Keep ignoring those scouting reports talking about his defensive ability though.

 

Maddux is the only one on that staff that can't hold runners. To throw their pitching staff out as an excuse for his peformance behind the plate is a copout.

 

And as I stated earlier, the San Diego broadcast team and color analysts couldn't wait for this guy to get out of town. And they follow the team on a daily basis.

Granted, Barrett had issues here this year but there is no denying that the guys who were traded to us might not give us anything in return. His % to throw runners out is disturbing and the minor leaguer we got in the deal has been abysmal so far. I don't see how anyone could like this trade.

[Chocolate Milk]

Sounds like a defense and chemistry trade to me, which I don't like.

 

I think they are also sacrificing offense, which they can't afford to do.

 

But I've never really liked Barrett, and I wanted him to walk at the end of the year anyway. At least this pretty much guarantees they don't do something stupid like offer him a longterm contract this November.

 

I don't like that catcher is now manned by nothing but defensive backup kind of catchers. A bunch of 8 hitters on a team already dealing with 8 hitters at SS.

 

I don't think this trade makes the Cubs any better.

 

I agree for the most part, but am I the only one who thinks it appears that Bowen has some offensive upside? He's been productive at appropriate ages for his level a few years.

 

I don't know about him long-term, but I think he can be at least adequate at catcher if not a little better.

 

He doesn't seem like a black hole, I'll say that. Hopefully he can continue to have a productive season as his playing time increases.

[hawkeyecub]

FWIW I think Bowen is overrated here...He is complete and utter crap.

 

I've seen the arguments for him spelled out...can you do the same from the other side?

 

703 career OPS.

 

Cause that .756 career OPS for a terrible defensive catcher is astounding

 

Bowen is also terrible defensive catcher.

 

Really, you're sticking to that huh? Just because he hasn't thrown out baserunners while catching a staff that's notorious for their inability to hold runners?

 

You make generalizations and rush to judgment on things which you aren't very familiar with more than anyone I've seen on this board. Keep ignoring those scouting reports talking about his defensive ability though.

 

Maddux is the only one on that staff that can't hold runners. To throw their pitching staff out as an excuse for his peformance behind the plate is a copout.

 

And as I stated earlier, the San Diego broadcast team and color analysts couldn't wait for this guy to get out of town. And they follow the team on a daily basis.

 

You would be wrong on the first count.

 

I'm also guessing that you're exaggerating on the second paragraph.

[soapy]

i'm not sure why people are mentioning "good OBP" and "offensive upside" with Bowen. I'm not seeing it. he doesn't look terrible, mind you, but i don't see anything to be excited/hopeful about.

 

on a side note, Bowen and i attended the same high school. woot!

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

well bowen at least came up with the twins so he knows fundamentals...and pry won't get picked off second base by the catcher, but then again when the cubs logo is on his chest he pry will stop takin walks and get picked off, while barrett will become a good defensive catcher and great baserunner

[Chocolate Milk]

Anybody think it's worth noting the huge ERA increase by Cub pitchers when Barrett caught? Possible correlation or just coincidence?

 

Oh, jesus. I should just leave this thread before I end up spending half my day here.

 

Come on...you wanna argue CERA...you know you do...give in to the dark side...

 

Besides, you know you're gonna be here all day anyway....

 

No way man. I took the day off and am going to the planetarium with a bunch of fine ladies. 8-)

[Derwood]

ALERT!!!! THIS TRADE WAS ABOUT GETTING RID OF BARRETT!!!! NO ONE SHOULD EXPECT EQUAL VALUE!!!!