Week 7

[Guest]

Come in with a slight lead and preserve the victory, extra points.

Come into a tie game and hold the opponent while the offense gets the win, no extra points.

 

Why should you get points for what the offense does? Reliever wins are by and large meaningless - ie random events controlled by someone other than the reliever. Except where a closer blows a save and then gets a win, which I think is ludicrous. I thought blown saves did cost you points? I agree they should.

[BigbadB]

BS - Blown Saves 0 points

 

From the rules page at Roadkill.

 

Agree to disagree on the points. I think it's strange that a closer can get points for a save, but a set up man gets nothing for a hold.

 

HD - Holds 0 points

 

When you have 3 reliever spots on each team and some teams might have 3 closers while another team has none, I just don't think it's right that a closer can accrue extra points by recording a save while other relievers can't get extra points.

[Guest]

BS - Blown Saves 0 points

 

From the rules page at Roadkill.

 

Agree to disagree on the points. I think it's strange that a closer can get points for a save, but a set up man gets nothing for a hold.

 

HD - Holds 0 points

 

When you have 3 reliever spots on each team and some teams might have 3 closers while another team has none, I just don't think it's right that a closer can accrue extra points by recording a save while other relievers can't get extra points.

 

why can't each team have two closers then? You construct your team how you want to so you have the choice on how many releivers to carry. I think what happened there is that I was deleting points for saves and thus also for blown saves but then relievers became kind of meaningless so I put the points back in. Holds are a silly stat imo (so are saves admittedly).

[abuck1220]

BS - Blown Saves 0 points

 

From the rules page at Roadkill.

 

Agree to disagree on the points. I think it's strange that a closer can get points for a save, but a set up man gets nothing for a hold.

 

HD - Holds 0 points

 

When you have 3 reliever spots on each team and some teams might have 3 closers while another team has none, I just don't think it's right that a closer can accrue extra points by recording a save while other relievers can't get extra points.

 

no one forces you to take a bunch of non-closers.

 

i agree that points for the save are kinda pointless when you're not counting wins or holds, but w/o the save points middle relievers would be worth more than closers, and that's not right.

[Chris]

Good job, team.

[Chris]

I respected the Braves too much. Starting Bergmann would've been huge points for the team to say the least. Too many start options may have cost me on this one.

[NCCubFan]

Matchups:

 

Galesburg Hand Sanitizers (4-2) at Draconian Empire (1-5)

Raw Dawgs (4-2) at Voo Doo Bayou Bashers (2-4)

Harrys Budcrew (5-1) at Buddiga (3-3)

NC Cubs (4-2) at Urinal Cakes (1-5)

Alamo Stealth (4-2) at Quakers (4-2)

Lynx (1-5) at Northside Baseball (2-4)

Fuzzy Logistics (4-2) at Dishman's Dishmans (3-3)

Severe Tooterstorms (3-3) at The Eyes of Texas (3-3)

 

Based on current records, it looks like mismatches in the East and close matches in the West. Hopefully Buddiga can get back on track and drop Harrys Budcrew into a tie for first.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you won't have a cake walk this week.

Statistics would say that I should beat you by about 15 points. For the season you're 95 points behind me, which averages out to about 15 a week. Week by week, though, I've outscored you three weeks and you've outscored me three weeks.

 

Should be fun... There is NO way I should be 1-5... I'm thinking 3-3 would be reasonable.

Not the best start to the week for either of us. Negative points from Moyer for me; even more negative points from Turnbow for you. You lead by 3.25 points and have one more pitching start remaining than I do.

[Chris]

Whoa, up to 2nd in the league in pitching. Too bad the offense is next to last. :(

[BigbadB]

no one forces you to take a bunch of non-closers.

 

i agree that points for the save are kinda pointless when you're not counting wins or holds, but w/o the save points middle relievers would be worth more than closers, and that's not right.

 

I have 3 closers. That's not the point I'm trying to make.

 

All I am saying is that because I was lucky enough to get 3 closers through the draft, and not every other team can afford that luxury (48 reliever spots and 32 closers), I can get 3 more points than my opponent each day for each closer. To me, that doesn't seem right.

 

For example, look at Scott Linebrink and Trevor Hoffman. Set up man and closer for the same team. Linebrink has pitched 4 more innings, has an ERA that is 1 run less than Hoffman, comparable WHIP and Hoffman has a slightly better K rate. Hoffman is 24 points ahead of Linebrink.

 

30 of Hoffman's 65 points for the season have come from saves. They'd be comparable in points without the saves and they would be comparable in points if you gave Linebrink Hold points, which is basically the same thing as a save.

 

So what if Linebrink isn't a closer? He's been a better reliever than Hoffman, but isn't nearly as valuable in Roadkill because he never qualifies for saves. To me, it just doesn't make sense. For the record, I don't have Hoffman or Linebrink on my roster. I just used them to make a point.

 

And if you really are fine with scoring saves as 3 points, why are blown saves 0 points? Shouldn't it be -3? By making it zero points, my closer can blow a game and it doesn't cost me anything besides the same points a middle reliever would lose, but I can earn 3 extra points daily by protecting a 3 run lead. Just doesn't seem right. And with that, I'm done with my whine.

[Guest]

I agree blown saves should cost points. Too late to fix it now though and I don't think its that big of a deal.

 

Abuck and I are both just saying that managers had a choice whether to draft closers or not and they knew the rules. So if you have that disadvantage, its your own doing.

[Quakers]

Let's see, Alamo has Beckett placed on the DL, I have Millwood placed on the DL....A quick check of the math...and yes...I think I get the better part of the deal. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.

[abuck1220]

I agree blown saves should cost points. Too late to fix it now though and I don't think its that big of a deal.

 

Abuck and I are both just saying that managers had a choice whether to draft closers or not and they knew the rules. So if you have that disadvantage, its your own doing.

 

closers lose a bunch of points through runs allowed and total bases if they blow a save, so they still get negative points.

 

plus, blown saves can be kinda fluky too...papelbon blew a couple last year coming in with one out in the 8th with a runner at 3rd and a one run lead...give up a sac fly, and that's a tough way to lose 3 points.

[Guest]

My bigger problem with blown saves is that any reliever coming in from the sixth inning and on can get a blown save even though he'll never get an opportunity for the bonus from the save.

[Chris]

Maybe Barfield is finally breaking out:

 

3-4, 2B, 3 RBI, 2 R, 4 TB

 

Kid has put together a pretty good run of late.

[tadowdaddy]

Glad the Cubs are winning, but god darn it Aramis.. lol.. I should have kept him.. :)

[Chris]

Glad the Cubs are winning, but god darn it Aramis.. lol.. I should have kept him.. :)

 

ouch

[Guest]

Glad the Cubs are winning, but god darn it Aramis.. lol.. I should have kept him.. :)

 

ouch

:D

 

See!

[Chris]

Glad the Cubs are winning, but god darn it Aramis.. lol.. I should have kept him.. :)

 

ouch

:D

 

See!

 

Maybe I shouldn't trade with you. Speaking of trades, did you get my e-mail?

[cbbryan]

FINALLY Z!!!!!! I'm in a tough one w/ Buddiga. I needed a good start from Z, I hope he keeps it up.

[NCCubFan]

Glad the Cubs are winning, but god darn it Aramis.. lol.. I should have kept him.. :)

I'm glad you no longer have him. It looks like I need all the help I can get this week (your losing a Tejada start may help some).

[Chris]

Furcal has 13 hits in his last 14 AB :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Chris]

And Slappy makes sure Wainwright gets tagged with 8 ER

[abuck1220]

replaced derosa and his injured hand with the riot.

 

theriot, drew and andy laroche...what an infield. :oops:

[Chris]

replaced derosa and his injured hand with the riot.

 

theriot, drew and andy laroche...what an infield. :oops:

 

Take Biggio off waivers...

[cbbryan]

Harang thru 7IP has allowed 1 hit vs SD! Big turn around from last week to this week w/ Harang and Z.