670 the Score reports Pie called up

[Soriano12]

Guzman was the one optioned? Stupid, stupid, stupid...

 

Agree. What the hell are they thinking..Guzman looked great last night.

 

This organization is beyond repair in terms of stupidity.

[Rob]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

[RichHillIsABeast]

Guzman was the one optioned? Stupid, stupid, stupid...

 

Agree. What the hell are they thinking..Guzman looked great last night.

 

This organization is beyond repair in terms of stupidity.

 

Well, he probably should be starting, and not just getting a few innings here and there in mop up games.

[Soriano12]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

Planet Hendry.

[Tedward]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

Not that I agree with the move, but maybe they will want to stretch him out at Iowa and set him up to come back up to start (after Miller is released, traded, whatever).

[jersey cubs fan]

We have 5 outfielders who need regular playing time. Somebody has to go. I'm sure the Cubs would like to move Jones but they already tried that in the offseason and failed.

 

Pie will go when Soriano is healthy.

 

We don't know that. If Pie goes on a tear while Fonz is gone it will be very difficult to justify sending him back to Iowa, particularly if Jones is still struggling.

 

That's the proverbial bridge you cross when you get there. I'm not worried about 5 OF who need to get time, because right now, they only have 4 (Soriano is unavailable).

[frostwyrm]

I have no problem with Gooz going down. He's better off getting regular starts and not sporadic bullpen work. I suspect Miller is going to lose his spot in the rotation before long and I'd rather see Gooz come up then.

[Old Style]

I am looking forward to seeing Pie get a shot. Hopefully he makes the best of it and gives Hendry & Sweet Lou a tough decision to make when Soriano is ready to go again.

[seanhopper]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

Guzman was going to be off limits for a minimum of 2 games based on his pitch count from yesterday. It actually makes some sense to send him down, see how Miller performs today and then decide to either let him remain in the bullpen or stretch him out in the minors and get him prepared to start in 10 days when he can be called back up (am I correct that a player that is optioned cannot be called up for 10 days?).

[Moonlight Graham]

I think we will see Guzman back up here in a starting role if Miller does not get the job done in his next 2 starts. Send him down, get his arm ready for the rotation and bring him back. Sounds good to me.

 

Plus isn't Ohman out of options?

[Danny82]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

Guzman was going to be off limits for a minimum of 2 games based on his pitch count from yesterday. It actually makes some sense to send him down, see how Miller performs today and then decide to either let him remain in the bullpen or stretch him out in the minors and get him prepared to start in 10 days when he can be called back up (am I correct that a player that is optioned cannot be called up for 10 days?).

 

Agree.

 

I'm not sure who they could send down instead if Soriano isn't going on the DL.

 

Ohman is out of options.

 

Ronny is the only other realistic option that I can think of.

[RynoRules]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

Planet Hendry.

 

At least try and know the facts first before you make sarcastic comments.

[NCCubFan]

P.S. DJ White officially announced he's stayin at IU .. WOOOO what a great day

Hello, San Antonio!

[Guest]

it doesnt take pecota to project them both to have similar k rates, similar HR rates, similar steals, same position, similar defensive ability with granderson having a batter walk rate. it's very good comparison. perfect? of course not but it's better than anyone else in the game. if you can come up with a better one, be my guest.

I think his downside is a GM Jr career path. Upside? Granderson with significantly less k's & better average is a decent comp.

 

 

I just wish he had a bit more time to explore this newfound patience at the plate instead of coming up and facing one of the best control pitchers of all time in his first game.

[NCCubFan]

(am I correct that a player that is optioned cannot be called up for 10 days?).

Correct, except that he could be called up sooner if it's to replace a pitcher who goes on the DL.

 

My theory, and if I'm right I like the move: Guzman will get two starts to stretch out in Iowa, then after 10 days when he's eligible he will be called back up and replace Miller (who's continuing to pitch himself out of the rotation today). In fact, that DAMN WELL BETTER be the explanation because it's the only justification for sending Guzman down. He's been excellent his last couple of appearances, and you don't send him down for 10 days when he'd only be out of commission for 2 days after pitching last night. If the reason weren't to stretch Guzman out the Ohman to the DL move would have been done to make room for Pie rather than rewarding Guzman for his excellent pitching by giving him an all-expenses-paid trip to beautiful Des Moines, Iowa. :D

[CaliforniaRaisin]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

The planet where Gooz is stretched out to replace Wade Miller.

[NCCubFan]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

The planet where Gooz is stretched out to replace Wade Miller.

Hopefully that planet is named Earth. :D

[treebird]

On what planet was optioning Gooz a good idea?

 

The planet where Gooz is stretched out to replace Wade Miller.

 

if that's the case, why on earth did we have to let miller start the season as the fifth starter? did anyone really expect anything out of him? people's minds have been changed based on, what, three starts?

 

if we're so willing to give up on him, it seems stupid that guzman was ever up. he could've been starting at AAA all along and made the start today.

[NCCubFan]

if that's the case, why on earth did we have to let miller start the season as the fifth starter? did anyone really expect anything out of him? people's minds have been changed based on, what, three starts?

 

if we're so willing to give up on him, it seems stupid that guzman was ever up. he could've been starting at AAA all along and made the start today.

Guzman has pitched much better during this season than he did in Spring Training, and Miller has not. What's transpired during the season could justifiably cause Lou to reconsider his earlier decision.

[treebird]

if that's the case, why on earth did we have to let miller start the season as the fifth starter? did anyone really expect anything out of him? people's minds have been changed based on, what, three starts?

 

if we're so willing to give up on him, it seems stupid that guzman was ever up. he could've been starting at AAA all along and made the start today.

Guzman has pitched much better during this season than he did in Spring Training, and Miller has not. What's transpired during the season could justifiably cause Lou to reconsider his earlier decision.

 

so the cubs decided miller was better than guzman based on their 17 and 13 ip in spring training, and then realized they were wrong based on their 11 and 7 ip in the regular season? this seems like a bad way to make decisions.

 

it should've been obvious to everyone that miller sucked before the season started. if the cubs INSISTED on giving him a shot, with the knowledge that he'd only get 2-3 starts before cutting bait, why not start guzman at AAA so he's ready to come up and start at a moment's notice?

 

if you look at his game log, you'll see that guzman's been pitching in blowouts and games where we're behind by at least a few runs. he's not doing anything special that requires a particularly talented pitcher. we could be running anybody out there in his spot to this point and be no worse off.

[NCCubFan]

if you look at his game log, you'll see that guzman's been pitching in blowouts and games where we're behind by at least a few runs. he's not doing anything special that requires a particularly talented pitcher. we could be running anybody out there in his spot to this point and be no worse off.

His 3-inning scoreless job against Houston was 4-2 after 5 innings when he came in, a very winnable game (even though they lost). That certainly was a pressure situation, since he had to hold them right there to keep from falling further behind.

[treebird]

if you look at his game log, you'll see that guzman's been pitching in blowouts and games where we're behind by at least a few runs. he's not doing anything special that requires a particularly talented pitcher. we could be running anybody out there in his spot to this point and be no worse off.

His 3-inning scoreless job against Houston was 4-2 after 5 innings when he came in, a very winnable game (even though they lost). That certainly was a pressure situation, since he had to hold them right there to keep from falling further behind.

 

actually it was 4-0. the cubs didn't score until the ninth.

 

if you want to count it, feel free. doesn't seem like a big spot to me, though.

[NCCubFan]

actually it was 4-0. the cubs didn't score until the ninth.

Oops, you're right about that. So not really a pressure situation, but not a blowout either. Regardless of the circumstances, though, his numbers of 8 strikeouts and 1 walk in 7.1 innings seems like major progress to me.

 

BTW, I do agree that he should have been the #5 starter from the beginning; I'm just saying there's no need to continue that wrong.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

if that's the case, why on earth did we have to let miller start the season as the fifth starter? did anyone really expect anything out of him? people's minds have been changed based on, what, three starts?

 

if we're so willing to give up on him, it seems stupid that guzman was ever up. he could've been starting at AAA all along and made the start today.

Guzman has pitched much better during this season than he did in Spring Training, and Miller has not. What's transpired during the season could justifiably cause Lou to reconsider his earlier decision.

 

so the cubs decided miller was better than guzman based on their 17 and 13 ip in spring training, and then realized they were wrong based on their 11 and 7 ip in the regular season? this seems like a bad way to make decisions.

 

it should've been obvious to everyone that miller sucked before the season started. if the cubs INSISTED on giving him a shot, with the knowledge that he'd only get 2-3 starts before cutting bait, why not start guzman at AAA so he's ready to come up and start at a moment's notice?

 

if you look at his game log, you'll see that guzman's been pitching in blowouts and games where we're behind by at least a few runs. he's not doing anything special that requires a particularly talented pitcher. we could be running anybody out there in his spot to this point and be no worse off.

 

Seemed to me like the Cubs went with the veteran over the youngster after spring and sending Gooz might be insurance in case Miller continues to be horrid.

 

Piniella wanted Guzman on the 25-man, but long men aren't used that often so it's a waste when Angel could be starting at AAA.

[Banedon]

Maybe I'm reading into things, but doesn't this sound like maybe Piniella wasn't so keen on sending down Guzman?

 

With the pregame decision to option Angel Guzman to Triple-A Iowa and bring up Pie to sub for injured center fielder Alfonso Soriano, Piniella was forced to empty his depleted bullpen.

 

"We did what we did," Piniella said of Guzman's demotion.