Bruce Miles Piece on the Big Murt

[BigbadB]

And even then they may not replace him if Cedeno isn't tearing it up. The guy is making over 4m, so he's going to get his opportunities.

[CuseCubFan69]

i'm hoping it doesnt take half a season to replace itzy if he's putting up 650 OPS. ronny needs to have a good start in iowa and force jim's hand here. no other team is going to make their ss available for a trade the first few months of the season.

 

I don't know if 650 will be enough to replace Izzy with Cedeno very quickly-I mean, Cedeno would have to improve a pretty good amount from last year to be an improvement over those numbers. 650 might be bad enough for them to make a trade at mid-season, but not to be replaced by Cedeno without injuries.

 

It might depend on how well the rest of the team is hitting too. You might be able to carry Izturis if the rest of the team is hitting well but if they are struggling, it's going to hurt having his bat in the lineup at 650.

 

More importantly, it's pretty safe to assume nobody in the Cubs organization is going to think at all about a 650 OPS, what it means, and whether it should be replaced. If Izzy is hitting .275, with a .310 OBP and .315 SLG, they aren't going to be thinking about his 625 OPS.

 

He's probably going to have to do something like hit .220 for 3 months with less than stellar defense before they think about replacing him.

 

Maybe....maybe not. I'm curious on how Lou looks at those numbers. He did say his son was into fantasy baseball and Lou may have some people that know about this particular stat. I agree the percentages of you being right are pretty good though but I'm still dreaming that they they'll be on the ball about these types of things.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

[CubColtPacer]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Yes, Bruce said his defense has been very, very good so far and that the pitchers already like him. In that scenario, I guess that the team could move DeRosa to short and play Theriot at second.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Baltimore's going to suck, I'd still like to see them throw a bunch of pitching at them for Tejada.

[BigbadB]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Yes, Bruce said his defense has been very, very good so far and that the pitchers already like him. In that scenario, I guess that the team could move DeRosa to short and play Theriot at second.

 

That would be an interesting lineup if Theriot proves he can be a 275/350 type guy and DeRosa could handle SS.

 

You made a good point about the pitchers liking Izturis at SS. For anyone that's ever pitched nothing frosts your mug more than getting a hitter to hit an easy grounder to SS and having it booted time and time again. Especailly if you have a Pujols type hitter up and you get him to hit an easy one to short.

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Baltimore's going to suck, I'd still like to see them throw a bunch of pitching at them for Tejada.

 

I'm living in the same world you are Bob! Especially if Prior is ok.

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

His initials aren't TP for no reason!

[Amazing_Grace]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ugh. I hope Perez doesn't make the team. I'd like to be able to have one season without having a Neifi/Macias/Ojeda/Bynum type on the team.

[CuseCubFan69]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ugh. I hope Perez doesn't make the team. I'd like to be able to have one season without having a Neifi/Macias/Ojeda/Bynum type on the team.

 

I agree! I think the quality at the everyday postions helps Lou not have to keep those types of players to mix and match with.

[NCCubFan]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

His initials aren't TP for no reason!

You mean he's an Indian living in a teepee? :lol:

[A New Era]

The only thing saving us from Izturis this season is either an epiphany or injury. I'm betting on the latter.

 

Didn't Bruce say his defense looked wonderful so far this spring?

 

Let's say Cedeno struggles and Theriot can't handle SS, what options do the Cubs actually have to replace Izturis if he is hitting 220?

 

Tomas Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

His initials aren't TP for no reason!

You mean he's an Indian living in a teepee? :lol:

 

TP for-l-lt my . . . Oh nevermind.

[NCCubFan]

I know what he really meant.

http://www.charmin.com/en_us/images/prod_charmin_pack_over.gif

[A New Era]

Tomas "toilet paper" perez.

 

Preceeded by. .

 

Neifi "no patience" perez. .

[Wolverineman]

For anyone that's ever pitched nothing frosts your mug more than getting a hitter to hit an easy grounder to SS and having it booted time and time again. Especailly if you have a Pujols type hitter up and you get him to hit an easy one to short.

 

While I can see that point, when we're talking about the majors, each pitcher is going to have that happen what, 4-5 times a year max? The worst SS make around 35 errors right? Each starter will be in for what, 1/6 or 1/7 of the total innings pitcher? That's gonna mean they get at most 6 of the SS's errors on the season, and while I have no idea what % of SS errors are balls that are booted vs. throwing errors, lets say all 6 are booted. A good SS will probably only make 10-15 errors at best, right? Simplying it down because it's nearly 4 a.m., that SS might only make 2 or 3 errors for that pitcher during a season. You're basically saying that 4 more errors over the course of 30+ games is that big of a deal to the pitcher's psyche? I just don't see it.

 

Obviously a good SS is better than a bad one, but I have a hard time believing that a pitcher at the major league level can be effected that much by having a fielder behind him make 2-4 more errors than a good fielder at that position would have.

 

 

(Yes, I know errors are a terrible way to evaluate fielders. But I feel my point still stands, the amount of non-errors of good vs. bad SS still will be very small coming for just one pitcher.

[CuseCubFan69]

For anyone that's ever pitched nothing frosts your mug more than getting a hitter to hit an easy grounder to SS and having it booted time and time again. Especailly if you have a Pujols type hitter up and you get him to hit an easy one to short.

 

While I can see that point, when we're talking about the majors, each pitcher is going to have that happen what, 4-5 times a year max? The worst SS make around 35 errors right? Each starter will be in for what, 1/6 or 1/7 of the total innings pitcher? That's gonna mean they get at most 6 of the SS's errors on the season, and while I have no idea what % of SS errors are balls that are booted vs. throwing errors, lets say all 6 are booted. A good SS will probably only make 10-15 errors at best, right? Simplying it down because it's nearly 4 a.m., that SS might only make 2 or 3 errors for that pitcher during a season. You're basically saying that 4 more errors over the course of 30+ games is that big of a deal to the pitcher's psyche? I just don't see it.

 

Obviously a good SS is better than a bad one, but I have a hard time believing that a pitcher at the major league level can be effected that much by having a fielder behind him make 2-4 more errors than a good fielder at that position would have.

 

 

(Yes, I know errors are a terrible way to evaluate fielders. But I feel my point still stands, the amount of non-errors of good vs. bad SS still will be very small coming for just one pitcher.

 

Interesting point. I think it may depend on the pitchers style (groundball/flyball) and their mentality. I don't think you can look at the stats in a flat line like that and say each pitcher gets X.

 

You're right that errors are not the best way to judge and when easy groundballs get through time and time again it wears on them.