The Bears Offseason Thread

[BigbadB]

Grossman needs to learn how to see the whole field, even under pressure. As soon as there is a little bit of pressure, he folds up and looks like a scared puppy dog looking for it's momma. It's pathetic. Granted, the offensive line not being able to hold an attack doesn't help matters, but Rex and Turner need to work on safety outlets for when the line comes through so easily.

 

I like Berrian, but I like him better as the #2 go to guy, not #1. Moose is still the guy who can make the catches when the ball is thrown to him.

 

Grossman couldn't hit Berrian in stride on a deep route if he wanted to. Against a cover 2 defense, they should have just abandoned the Berrian deep passes for more 2 step, first down passes like Manning was doing.

[Banedon]

He was not god-awful in the super bowl, although he did make some bad throws.

 

He was very very bad last night.

 

That's just simply not true. He played well enough to win if the rest of the team wasn't so intent on turning the ball over and if the defense did anything. The defense was ho-hum, Benson didn't show up. No, Rex didn't have a good game, I'd call it below average. But he wasn't very very bad. I know people will push that as the official story, but it's just not the case.

 

It is true. He wasn't good last night.

 

I know he wasn't good. But that's different from being god-awful, very very bad and taking a crap on the field.

 

Rest of the team turning the ball over? 3 of the 5 turnovers were Rex. He had a bad snap that he managed to recover about 5-6 yards behind the line of scrimmage, and another one where he stumbled backward for a sack. The Bears were still in the game (5 points down in the 4th) until Rex threw 2 picks. The last pick was one where he badly underthrew Berrian on the type of bomb pass that is Grossman's forte, if he has a forte. His completion percentage of 71.4% is all that saved his QB rating from being quite a bit worse than the 68.3 he ended with.

 

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills. Grossman wasn't all that lost that game, but it was a huge part of it.

 

EDIT: I neglected to mention 2 dropped INT's by the Colts.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Banedon

[Banedon]

Grossman needs to learn how to see the whole field, even under pressure. As soon as there is a little bit of pressure, he folds up and looks like a scared puppy dog looking for it's momma. It's pathetic. Granted, the offensive line not being able to hold an attack doesn't help matters, but Rex and Turner need to work on safety outlets for when the line comes through so easily.

 

I like Berrian, but I like him better as the #2 go to guy, not #1. Moose is still the guy who can make the catches when the ball is thrown to him.

 

Grossman couldn't hit Berrian in stride on a deep route if he wanted to. Against a cover 2 defense, they should have just abandoned the Berrian deep passes for more 2 step, first down passes like Manning was doing.

 

Last night he couldn't, but he did just that several times this year.

[BigbadB]

I really like Anderson. He makes one of Adewale or A. Brown expendable. I'm not sure which one I would part with, but Anderson needs to be in there on every down. Bye bye, Tank. Harris and Boone/Scott make for a solid middle.

 

Hillenmeyer is the weakest link on D, IMO. I think he'd be alright if the Bears worked in a 3/4 defensive scheme, but we don't.

 

Is Hester going to be an option on defense next year?

[BigbadB]

Grossman needs to learn how to see the whole field, even under pressure. As soon as there is a little bit of pressure, he folds up and looks like a scared puppy dog looking for it's momma. It's pathetic. Granted, the offensive line not being able to hold an attack doesn't help matters, but Rex and Turner need to work on safety outlets for when the line comes through so easily.

 

I like Berrian, but I like him better as the #2 go to guy, not #1. Moose is still the guy who can make the catches when the ball is thrown to him.

 

Grossman couldn't hit Berrian in stride on a deep route if he wanted to. Against a cover 2 defense, they should have just abandoned the Berrian deep passes for more 2 step, first down passes like Manning was doing.

 

Last night he couldn't, but he did just that several times this year.

 

Twice in the New Orleans game he horribly underthrew Berrian.

[Banedon]

Grossman needs to learn how to see the whole field, even under pressure. As soon as there is a little bit of pressure, he folds up and looks like a scared puppy dog looking for it's momma. It's pathetic. Granted, the offensive line not being able to hold an attack doesn't help matters, but Rex and Turner need to work on safety outlets for when the line comes through so easily.

 

I like Berrian, but I like him better as the #2 go to guy, not #1. Moose is still the guy who can make the catches when the ball is thrown to him.

 

Grossman couldn't hit Berrian in stride on a deep route if he wanted to. Against a cover 2 defense, they should have just abandoned the Berrian deep passes for more 2 step, first down passes like Manning was doing.

 

Last night he couldn't, but he did just that several times this year.

 

Twice in the New Orleans game he horribly underthrew Berrian.

 

Agreed. I just think you overstated it a little.

[goonys evil twin]

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills.

 

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory.

[Banedon]

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills.

 

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory.

 

I agree Griese wouldn't be better. But I don't think mediocre is ok just because we don't have anything better when we're going into the offseason now, and can try to get something better. I understand our options are limited, but I think Angelo has to look at all of those options and figure out if Rex really is the best option. I'm not sure he is.

[BigbadB]

Well, I've always viewed the Bears as a ball control offense. Moose fits the description of the ball control receiver. He should be the go to guy. Berrian is the guy you look for once you've got the defense convinced everything being thrown will be for 10 yards. Until you get the safeties to cheat up, take advantage of the short game. Once the safeties cheat up, THEN look for Berrian deep.

[Soriano12]

THEN look for Berrian deep.

 

Too bad Griese can't make that throw.

[goonys evil twin]

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills.

 

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory.

 

I agree Griese wouldn't be better. But I don't think mediocre is ok just because we don't have anything better when we're going into the offseason now, and can try to get something better. I understand our options are limited, but I think Angelo has to look at all of those options and figure out if Rex really is the best option. I'm not sure he is.

 

There's no obvious free agent option. There's no chance of a near-term solution via the draft. The Bears need to put 100% of their QB efforts behind making Rex better. Or at the most, put some of that into drafting a future QB in the middle rounds. But barring any miracle situation where they discover a diamond in the rough off somebody else's bench, Grossman is the QB.

[Soriano12]

I heard Dave Toub say something like "The Ball is in their court" in terms of him coming back.

 

Earth to Dave...It is pretty easy being a ST coach when you have all world Devin Hester as your return man.

 

I'll give him some credit for Gould, but Maynard has been solid his entire career.

 

And the kick coverage was brutal at times in the playoffs.

 

So Dave, get off your high horse.

[Banedon]

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills.

 

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory.

 

I agree Griese wouldn't be better. But I don't think mediocre is ok just because we don't have anything better when we're going into the offseason now, and can try to get something better. I understand our options are limited, but I think Angelo has to look at all of those options and figure out if Rex really is the best option. I'm not sure he is.

 

There's no obvious free agent option. There's no chance of a near-term solution via the draft. The Bears need to put 100% of their QB efforts behind making Rex better. Or at the most, put some of that into drafting a future QB in the middle rounds. But barring any miracle situation where they discover a diamond in the rough off somebody else's bench, Grossman is the QB.

 

Yeah, I guess I just don't like the "there's no other choice" argument.

 

I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it?

[goonys evil twin]

I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it?

 

Wouldn't even consider it. His issues go beyond just injury "concerns". He makes Rex look like Favre in the stability department. He's always limping around, even when he does play. He might not be a high risk for disaster, but he doesn't have a ton of upside in my opinion. This would just be a grass is always greener move, taking on somebody else's headache. If I found somebody who stood a good chance of being a very good QB, I'd be fine to replace Rex. But I don't see it. A move like this has to be an obvious upgrade. To me, a guy like Leftwich is nothing more than a lateral move. It would be starting over with a guy who has at least as many questions as Rex.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I've been defending Grossman for the whole season, because I thought he was the best option we had. But I can't take the idea that we're wasting an opportunity for championships because we're trying to develop a QB that has such terrible lapses in both judgement and fundamental football skills.

 

The Bears wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl without Grossman this year. He's not ideal by any stretch. But Griese sure as hell isn't a sure thing for glory.

 

I agree Griese wouldn't be better. But I don't think mediocre is ok just because we don't have anything better when we're going into the offseason now, and can try to get something better. I understand our options are limited, but I think Angelo has to look at all of those options and figure out if Rex really is the best option. I'm not sure he is.

 

There's no obvious free agent option. There's no chance of a near-term solution via the draft. The Bears need to put 100% of their QB efforts behind making Rex better. Or at the most, put some of that into drafting a future QB in the middle rounds. But barring any miracle situation where they discover a diamond in the rough off somebody else's bench, Grossman is the QB.

 

Yeah, I guess I just don't like the "there's no other choice" argument.

 

I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it?

 

i'd stay away from leftwich...

[Banedon]

I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it?

 

Wouldn't even consider it. His issues go beyond just injury "concerns". He makes Rex look like Favre in the stability department. He's always limping around, even when he does play. He might not be a high risk for disaster, but he doesn't have a ton of upside in my opinion. This would just be a grass is always greener move, taking on somebody else's headache. If I found somebody who stood a good chance of being a very good QB, I'd be fine to replace Rex. But I don't see it. A move like this has to be an obvious upgrade. To me, a guy like Leftwich is nothing more than a lateral move. It would be starting over with a guy who has at least as many questions as Rex.

 

I was just looking through the list of potential tradesor free agents...Leftwich, Garcia and Huard are the "big names"...

 

I'm admittedly frustrated with the QB situation, and looking for quick remedies.

[CubColtPacer]

I know there's injury concerns, but if you could get Byron Leftwich for say a 4th or 5th round pick, would you do it?

 

Wouldn't even consider it. His issues go beyond just injury "concerns". He makes Rex look like Favre in the stability department. He's always limping around, even when he does play. He might not be a high risk for disaster, but he doesn't have a ton of upside in my opinion. This would just be a grass is always greener move, taking on somebody else's headache. If I found somebody who stood a good chance of being a very good QB, I'd be fine to replace Rex. But I don't see it. A move like this has to be an obvious upgrade. To me, a guy like Leftwich is nothing more than a lateral move. It would be starting over with a guy who has at least as many questions as Rex.

 

I was just looking through the list of potential tradesor free agents...Leftwich, Garcia and Huard are the "big names"...

 

I'm admittedly frustrated with the QB situation, and looking for quick remedies.

 

If you truly want to replace Rex, signing Garcia and then drafting a QB will give you a great chance to win the SB next year while at the same time preparing for the future.

[reggiemiller rules]

Question for bears fans. Would you give up your first round pick for Schwab? I think the he could turn out to be a very good player, but I am not sure I would give a 1st rounder for him.

[bukie]

I was just looking through the list of potential tradesor free agents...Leftwich, Garcia and Huard are the "big names"...

 

I'm admittedly frustrated with the QB situation, and looking for quick remedies.

 

Isn't that the kind of thinking that resulted in the Cubs trading for Juan Pierre, just because he was what was available last year?

 

No use making a move simply for the sake of making a move.

[Soriano12]

Question for bears fans. Would you give up your first round pick for Schwab? I think the he could turn out to be a very good player, but I am not sure I would give a 1st rounder for him.

 

no way

[Banedon]

If you truly want to replace Rex, signing Garcia and then drafting a QB will give you a great chance to win the SB next year while at the same time preparing for the future.

 

Garcia was fine for half a season. Can he play a full season?

[CubColtPacer]

If you truly want to replace Rex, signing Garcia and then drafting a QB will give you a great chance to win the SB next year while at the same time preparing for the future.

 

Garcia was fine for half a season. Can he play a full season?

 

If he goes to a bad team where he's going to get drilled often, my guess would be no. The Bears don't need him to do that though-they just need him to make the throws that move the chains to balance out their good run game. Garcia has a much better chance of staying healthy and effective in that type of scenario, especially with the pretty good weapons that he will have.

[cubweiser03]

Garcia had a very good year this year; however, he was awful in Cleveland and terrible in Detroit. Leftwich, if he was so good the Jags wouldnt have questions going into this offseason if he is the starter or Garrad is. Garrad isnt great shakes, so why would they themselves have questions on Leftwhich? Lateral move.

 

IF Kris Jenkins is released by Carolina for $ reasons id really like to see the Bears go after him hard. He's a freaking bad ass.

[CubColtPacer]

Garcia had a very good year this year; however, he was awful in Cleveland and terrible in Detroit. Leftwich, if he was so good the Jags wouldnt have questions going into this offseason if he is the starter or Garrad is. Garrad isnt great shakes, so why would they themselves have questions on Leftwhich? Lateral move.

 

IF Kris Jenkins is released by Carolina for $ reasons id really like to see the Bears go after him hard. He's a freaking bad ass.

 

Garcia's the type of QB who needs weapons around him to make him really good. He has his limitations as a QB that can be exploited if there aren't the proper pieces-Cleveland and Detroit were not good fits for him, but a team like the Bears would be a much better fit.

[goonys evil twin]

If you truly want to replace Rex, signing Garcia and then drafting a QB will give you a great chance to win the SB next year while at the same time preparing for the future.

 

Garcia was fine for half a season. Can he play a full season?

 

Garcia hasn't played a great full season since 2002. He turns 37 in three weeks. I don't see how he gives the Bears a better chance of winning next year than Rex.