Trade Jones for Duke?

[VanceJergins]

That would be incredible, I just have a feeling they would ask for a lot more than Jones considering they were asking Dunn for Duke.

 

Thats why we would have to throw in some prospects to sweeten the pot

 

I think Marshall and maybe a pretty decent prospect like Moore could be possible.

 

I think the only thing that would be possible would be Littlefield laughing his butt off right before hanging up the phone.

 

Yeah, cause the Pirates have been such suave deal-makers in the past. And laughing and hanging up on people is most likely how professionals go about their business.

 

Since when was Jacque Jones viewed as the equivalent of Adam Dunn on this board? Duke is better than Hill, discussion is ridiculous. Just because Littlefield has made dumb trades in the past doesn't mean he will make this one...Hendry has made some very horrible ones as well.

 

He's not, hence the discussion of prospects and players like Marshall.

[nilodnayr]

Zach Duke had a 4.89 K/9 last year and sported a 1.50 WHIP. He certainly may get better - he is still young - but it's not as if he was dominant last year.

 

I'd be very happy to get him for Jones. They were of almost equal value last year, so it's not as if Pittsburgh should ask for much more than Jacques.

His previous 4 years in the minors/majors where his worst ERA was 3.11 say otherwise. He may not have the stuff to be a good K pitcher, but it hasn't hurt his results so far. Hes a control guy who keeps the ball on the ground and in the park.

[BigbadB]

I like Duke a lot, but in order to deal Jones to the Bucs for him, we'd likely have to include a top 5 pitching prospect (and probably an A-ball type) while taking on one of their bad contracts - if they still have any.

 

The only one is Jack Wilson, and they still think he's the face of the franchise (which tells you a lot about the body).

 

Bay is the face of that franchise.

 

And, no, Jones for Duke won't happen. If the Reds are offering a power hitting OF, it makes you wonder just it might be. This could be interesting...

 

The Pirates aren't a team that spends 10m on an outfielder. They are usually guilty of trading them away, actually.

 

Jones for Dukes probably won't happen. But, I wouldn't rule out Jones to Pittsburgh for someone.

[nilodnayr]

That would be incredible, I just have a feeling they would ask for a lot more than Jones considering they were asking Dunn for Duke.

 

Thats why we would have to throw in some prospects to sweeten the pot

 

I think Marshall and maybe a pretty decent prospect like Moore could be possible.

 

I think the only thing that would be possible would be Littlefield laughing his butt off right before hanging up the phone.

 

Yeah, cause the Pirates have been such suave deal-makers in the past. And laughing and hanging up on people is most likely how professionals go about their business.

 

Since when was Jacque Jones viewed as the equivalent of Adam Dunn on this board? Duke is better than Hill, discussion is ridiculous. Just because Littlefield has made dumb trades in the past doesn't mean he will make this one...Hendry has made some very horrible ones as well.

 

He's not, hence the discussion of prospects and players like Marshall.

WOW!! Well then that makes all the difference in the world!

[nilodnayr]

I like Duke a lot, but in order to deal Jones to the Bucs for him, we'd likely have to include a top 5 pitching prospect (and probably an A-ball type) while taking on one of their bad contracts - if they still have any.

 

The only one is Jack Wilson, and they still think he's the face of the franchise (which tells you a lot about the body).

 

Bay is the face of that franchise.

 

And, no, Jones for Duke won't happen. If the Reds are offering a power hitting OF, it makes you wonder just it might be. This could be interesting...

 

The Pirates aren't a team that spends 10m on an outfielder. They are usually guilty of trading them away, actually.

 

Jones for Dukes probably won't happen. But, I wouldn't rule out Jones to Pittsburgh for someone.

I dont think the bucs have any pieces we need (other than their young pitching). While I do believe Jones is a good match there, I dont think they have anything equivalent to give back to us. A three or four team deal is definitely a possibility.

[VanceJergins]

That would be incredible, I just have a feeling they would ask for a lot more than Jones considering they were asking Dunn for Duke.

 

Thats why we would have to throw in some prospects to sweeten the pot

 

I think Marshall and maybe a pretty decent prospect like Moore could be possible.

 

I think the only thing that would be possible would be Littlefield laughing his butt off right before hanging up the phone.

 

Yeah, cause the Pirates have been such suave deal-makers in the past. And laughing and hanging up on people is most likely how professionals go about their business.

 

Since when was Jacque Jones viewed as the equivalent of Adam Dunn on this board? Duke is better than Hill, discussion is ridiculous. Just because Littlefield has made dumb trades in the past doesn't mean he will make this one...Hendry has made some very horrible ones as well.

 

He's not, hence the discussion of prospects and players like Marshall.

WOW!! Well then that makes all the difference in the world!

 

I understand thats sarcasm, but I dont quite understand the sarcasm. Are you saying teams dont add prospects to sweeten deals? Are you saying small market/ low-budget teams dont like getting prospects and cheap players? Please explain.

[cheapseats]

Zach Duke had a 4.89 K/9 last year and sported a 1.50 WHIP. He certainly may get better - he is still young - but it's not as if he was dominant last year.

 

I'd be very happy to get him for Jones. They were of almost equal value last year, so it's not as if Pittsburgh should ask for much more than Jacques.

His previous 4 years in the minors/majors where his worst ERA was 3.11 say otherwise. He may not have the stuff to be a good K pitcher, but it hasn't hurt his results so far. Hes a control guy who keeps the ball on the ground and in the park.

 

Oh, to be sure, I think he'll be a good pitcher. But his ERA was about league average last year, wasn't it?

 

For a control guy, he walked way too many batters last year. Groundball pitchers who walk guys are asking for trouble (thus his ERA last year). Assuming he can get his walks back down, I expect good things from him - just not like what we saw in 2005.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Control was most definitely his problem last year. K's were down, walks were up. From what I saw of him, it seems to me that he was missing a lot early and leaving the ball over the plate when he was hitting the zone. Unless there are mechanical issues we don't know about, I think 06 will be Duke's worst season. His success against the Cubs probably had to do with our lineup of free swingers.

[Outshined_One]

Why would the Pirates ask for Dunn in exchange for Duke when Dunn is owed a pretty substantial amount of money over the next few years? The Reds don't exactly have the budget to pick up a whole lot of Dunn's contract at the moment, iirc.

 

I could see it if they were asking for Denorfia and prospects, but Dunn? Really?

[goonys evil twin]

Why would the Pirates ask for Dunn in exchange for Duke when Dunn is owed a pretty substantial amount of money over the next few years?

 

I could see it if they were asking for Denorfia, but Dunn? Really?

 

From the looks of it, they have very little tied up in contracts in 2007/2008. They could probably afford it.

[nilodnayr]

WOW!! Well then that makes all the difference in the world!

 

I understand thats sarcasm, but I dont quite understand the sarcasm. Are you saying teams dont add prospects to sweeten deals? Are you saying small market/ low-budget teams dont like getting prospects and cheap players? Please explain.

 

My sarcasm is that I do not think Marshall is close to what we would have to give up to get the deal done. While he is a prospect, I think the Pirates would require someone much higher. Small market teams like prospects and cheap players, thats exactly why they won't trade Duke for a package consisting of Jones and Marshall. Duke happens to be a good cheap player.

[Outshined_One]

Why would the Pirates ask for Dunn in exchange for Duke when Dunn is owed a pretty substantial amount of money over the next few years?

 

I could see it if they were asking for Denorfia, but Dunn? Really?

 

From the looks of it, they have very little tied up in contracts in 2007/2008. They could probably afford it.

 

Possibly, but Dunn wouldn't be under Pittsburgh's control for long. The rest of his contract:

 

2007 - $10.5m

2008 (Team Option) - $13m or a $500,00 buyout

 

I'm firmly in the Pro-Dunn camp, but why Pittsburgh would do a Dunn for Duke trade straight up escapes me. I can't see Cincy throwing any worthwhile prospects into this deal and Pittsburgh would only have Dunn for two years, maximum.

 

I also have trouble seeing a Jones for Duke swamp for similar reasons, although I think the Cubs have better pitching prospects to throw at Pittsburgh and more money to sweeten the pot.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why would the Pirates ask for Dunn in exchange for Duke when Dunn is owed a pretty substantial amount of money over the next few years?

 

I could see it if they were asking for Denorfia, but Dunn? Really?

 

From the looks of it, they have very little tied up in contracts in 2007/2008. They could probably afford it.

 

Possibly, but Dunn wouldn't be under Pittsburgh's control for long. The rest of his contract:

 

2007 - $10.5m

2008 (Team Option) - $13m or a $500,00 buyout

 

I'm firmly in the Pro-Dunn camp, but why Pittsburgh would do a Dunn for Duke trade straight up escapes me. I can't see Cincy throwing any worthwhile prospects into this deal and Pittsburgh would only have Dunn for two years, maximum.

 

I also have trouble seeing a Jones for Duke swamp for similar reasons, although I think the Cubs have better pitching prospects to throw at Pittsburgh and more money to sweeten the pot.

 

There's also rumors Dunn can void the last year (team option) if he's traded.

[CubsWin]

That trade would both make sense AND kick ass.

 

Which is why it won't happen.

You are totally free to make whatever comments you want, but I find posts like this one very, very tiresome and old.

 

Its not funny. Its not accurate. Its simply and only defeatist. What a non-contribution to the site. Here have some more of my defeatist attitude. And some more. And some more.

 

And now back to our regularly scheduled program...

[NoDak]

That would be incredible, I just have a feeling they would ask for a lot more than Jones considering they were asking Dunn for Duke.

 

Thats why we would have to throw in some prospects to sweeten the pot

 

And those prospectS would probably have to be of the Pie/Veal/Paw/Gallagher ilk.

 

Just because the pirates are willing to trade Duke for an OF, doesn't mean they will trade him for ANY OF.

 

Let's say we did have to trade Jones along with one of these prospects for Duke. How bad of a deal would that be? Duke is not much older than them and has pitched 300 innings in the major leagues with an ops+ of 119. I could deal with that. I would rather not trade Pie b/c he seems closer to major league ready, but I would consider any of these other guys.

[NoDak]

I like Duke a lot, but in order to deal Jones to the Bucs for him, we'd likely have to include a top 5 pitching prospect (and probably an A-ball type) while taking on one of their bad contracts - if they still have any.

 

The only one is Jack Wilson, and they still think he's the face of the franchise (which tells you a lot about the body).

 

Bay is the face of that franchise.

 

And, no, Jones for Duke won't happen. If the Reds are offering a power hitting OF, it makes you wonder just it might be. This could be interesting...

 

The Pirates aren't a team that spends 10m on an outfielder. They are usually guilty of trading them away, actually.

 

Jones for Dukes probably won't happen. But, I wouldn't rule out Jones to Pittsburgh for someone.

I dont think the bucs have any pieces we need (other than their young pitching). While I do believe Jones is a good match there, I dont think they have anything equivalent to give back to us. A three or four team deal is definitely a possibility.

 

I like the sound of a 3-4 team deal. Could WSH with Church/Kearns be somehow added into this deal?

[ThePenguin11]

Zach Duke had a 4.89 K/9 last year and sported a 1.50 WHIP. He certainly may get better - he is still young - but it's not as if he was dominant last year.

 

I'd be very happy to get him for Jones. They were of almost equal value last year, so it's not as if Pittsburgh should ask for much more than Jacques.

 

Chalk that up to a sophomore slump. If you could only base a guy's talent on one small sample, he'd be Cy Young based on his 2005 stats. His real value is somewhere in the middle.

[ThePenguin11]

I can also add that Duke had coaches constantly altering his delivery last year. Because he was on my fantasy baseball team I was always monitoring Duke news stories and read alot about him being frustrated because the coaches kept messing with his delivery and motion. That could have been a large contributor to his lack of success and consistency last year.

[Balsa]

If this happens, it would be AMAZING!

 

Get on it Jimbo.

[KatJ]

That would be incredible, I just have a feeling they would ask for a lot more than Jones considering they were asking Dunn for Duke.

 

Thats why we would have to throw in some prospects to sweeten the pot

 

I think Marshall and maybe a pretty decent prospect like Moore could be possible.

 

I think the only thing that would be possible would be Littlefield laughing his butt off right before hanging up the phone.

 

That was MY first response.

 

Seriously, if Littlefield lets go of Duke, he's going to need a security detail. Wish Pittsburgh (now Philly - he moved) Jake would weigh in - Jake?

[tkenm356]

I've been saying we should trade Jones to the Pirates for a month now. Granted it was for Snell and not Duke, cause I figured they wouldn't part with Duke. Duke would be VERY nice.

 

Originally I suggested Jones and Moore for Snell, it would give them the 1B and RF left handed power bats they want. Why not do that for Duke, too? Moore won't make it as a starter in this organization with Ramirez and Lee blocking him