Rule 5 Draft

[Ding Dong Johnson]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

[CaliforniaRaisin]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

 

He started playing after that quote in the USA Today.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Drafted troubled outfielder Josh Hamilton from Tampa Bay in the Rule 5 draft and immediately sold him to Cincinnati for $50,000. Hamilton, a former No. 1 draft pick, had been suspended for alleged drug use.

 

50,000

Basically, that means the Cubs broke even. $50,000 was what they had to pay Tampa Bay, so they're just getting their money back from the Reds. Consistent with the idea that they were really drafting him for the Reds in the first place. I'm sure there's a gentlemen's agreement in place that, at some time in the future, the Reds would do something similar for the Cubs if the situations are reversed. Otherwise, it would make no sense for the Cubs to help out a division rival without getting anything in return.

 

Nope. I read elsewhere (no link) the Reds paid the Cubs $100,000 for Hamilton, so the Cubs netted $50K by doing this for them. Overall, the Cubs received a net $250K cash from the Rule 5 draft. That'll cover one week's worth of Alfonso-Mania!

[Bruno7481]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

 

Yeah I know.

 

That is why I said earlier in the thread that it is crazy to expect this guy to stick with a major league club after playing only 15 minor league games the past 3 years.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Jim Callis chimes in at Ask BA on whether Hamilton can stick with the Reds.

 

Basically, the reasons why he could stick:

 

Only have 4 letgitimate major league OFs on the roster and might trade one of them - Adam Dunn.

 

The reasons he might not:

 

Just 50 ABs in the past 4 seasons, just 89 games above A-ball since he turned pro. Had arthroscopic knee surgery last season.

 

To send him down [to the minors] in 2007, the Reds would have to put him on outright waivers, allowing him to be claimed by any club, which would face the same guidelines.

 

Normally, Rule 5 picks have to be offered to their former team for half the $50,000 draft price, but Hamilton is an exception. Because he already has been placed on outright waivers, he can declare free agency if he clears them this time, though he also could accept his reassignment to the Devil Rays.

[Vinestal]

Drafted troubled outfielder Josh Hamilton from Tampa Bay in the Rule 5 draft and immediately sold him to Cincinnati for $50,000. Hamilton, a former No. 1 draft pick, had been suspended for alleged drug use.

 

50,000

Basically, that means the Cubs broke even. $50,000 was what they had to pay Tampa Bay, so they're just getting their money back from the Reds. Consistent with the idea that they were really drafting him for the Reds in the first place. I'm sure there's a gentlemen's agreement in place that, at some time in the future, the Reds would do something similar for the Cubs if the situations are reversed. Otherwise, it would make no sense for the Cubs to help out a division rival without getting anything in return.

 

Nope. I read elsewhere (no link) the Reds paid the Cubs $100,000 for Hamilton, so the Cubs netted $50K by doing this for them. Overall, the Cubs received a net $250K cash from the Rule 5 draft. That'll cover one week's worth of Alfonso-Mania!

 

My quote was from a trib article, was just passing along what I saw. I guess they were wrong.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Drafted troubled outfielder Josh Hamilton from Tampa Bay in the Rule 5 draft and immediately sold him to Cincinnati for $50,000. Hamilton, a former No. 1 draft pick, had been suspended for alleged drug use.

 

50,000

Basically, that means the Cubs broke even. $50,000 was what they had to pay Tampa Bay, so they're just getting their money back from the Reds. Consistent with the idea that they were really drafting him for the Reds in the first place. I'm sure there's a gentlemen's agreement in place that, at some time in the future, the Reds would do something similar for the Cubs if the situations are reversed. Otherwise, it would make no sense for the Cubs to help out a division rival without getting anything in return.

 

Nope. I read elsewhere (no link) the Reds paid the Cubs $100,000 for Hamilton, so the Cubs netted $50K by doing this for them. Overall, the Cubs received a net $250K cash from the Rule 5 draft. That'll cover one week's worth of Alfonso-Mania!

 

My quote was from a trib article, was just passing along what I saw. I guess they were wrong.

 

Not hassling you, just correcting the info. I figured there had to be some reason the Cubs would do this other than just "doing a favor" for the Reds, turns out the reason was for 50 large.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

A video of Oneri Fleita on MiLB.com radio talking about the Rule 5 draft (how the whole Josh Hamilton thing came about, losing Campusano, Holdzkom, Smith, Lewis and Shipman, Justin Jones getting drafted, the Freddie Bynum trade). He mentioned that Richard Lewis was about to be promoted when he got hurt in 2004.

 

If the link doesn't work, the video is on the top left corner of the MiLB.com site.

[the splendid splinter]

They also have an interview with Wilken on their radio archives at MLB.com

[CaliforniaRaisin]

They also have an interview with Wilken on their radio archives at MLB.com

 

Good call! Tim Wilken on Around the Minors (start at about 5:30).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Joel (Seattle): What do you think of Campusano, the lefty the Tigers picked up in the Rule 5 draft? Will he stick with the big league team, or will they have to give him back?

 

SportsNation Jim Callis: (2:53 PM ET ) They may be able to keep him. It's easier to keep a reliever on the back of your roster and give him enough work so it's not a lost year of development. He also has elbow problems that sidelined him for the last six weeks of the year, so they can stash him on the DL for part of the time. Interesting arm: 92-93 fastball with life, wipeout slider. I like the pick.

[treebird]

Oakland's guy is hurt, and has been for a while.

 

Link

[Illini Iceman]

From AZPhil at The Cub Reporter:

 

If the Astros offer Lincoln Holdzkom back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, the Cubs would have to place Holdzkomm on their 40-man roster, and then option him to the minors (Holdzkom has two minor league options available). If they try to send him outright to the minors, he has the option to declare himself a FA.

 

If the Blue Jays offer Jason Smith back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, not only would the Cubs have to place Jason Smith on their 40-man roster, they would have to keep him on their 25-man regular season roster, too. That's because Smith has not only been previously outrighted in his career (so he cannot be outrighted without having the option to be a FA), but he is also out of minor league options.

 

This doesn't apply to Campusano.

 

It's really strange that the Blue Jays took Jason Smith when he was availble as a free agent about a month ago.

 

Has anyone heard any news regarding the chances of Campusano and/or Holdzkom getting returned? It would be nice to have those two back in the system.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

From AZPhil at The Cub Reporter:

 

If the Astros offer Lincoln Holdzkom back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, the Cubs would have to place Holdzkomm on their 40-man roster, and then option him to the minors (Holdzkom has two minor league options available). If they try to send him outright to the minors, he has the option to declare himself a FA.

 

If the Blue Jays offer Jason Smith back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, not only would the Cubs have to place Jason Smith on their 40-man roster, they would have to keep him on their 25-man regular season roster, too. That's because Smith has not only been previously outrighted in his career (so he cannot be outrighted without having the option to be a FA), but he is also out of minor league options.

 

This doesn't apply to Campusano.

 

It's really strange that the Blue Jays took Jason Smith when he was availble as a free agent about a month ago.

 

Has anyone heard any news regarding the chances of Campusano and/or Holdzkom getting returned? It would be nice to have those two back in the system.

 

Houston offered Holdzkom back today (link to thread). Campusano has been good so far for the Tigers (5 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 4 K/3 BB, 1 HBP).

[Illini Iceman]

From AZPhil at The Cub Reporter:

 

If the Astros offer Lincoln Holdzkom back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, the Cubs would have to place Holdzkomm on their 40-man roster, and then option him to the minors (Holdzkom has two minor league options available). If they try to send him outright to the minors, he has the option to declare himself a FA.

 

If the Blue Jays offer Jason Smith back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, not only would the Cubs have to place Jason Smith on their 40-man roster, they would have to keep him on their 25-man regular season roster, too. That's because Smith has not only been previously outrighted in his career (so he cannot be outrighted without having the option to be a FA), but he is also out of minor league options.

 

This doesn't apply to Campusano.

 

It's really strange that the Blue Jays took Jason Smith when he was availble as a free agent about a month ago.

 

Has anyone heard any news regarding the chances of Campusano and/or Holdzkom getting returned? It would be nice to have those two back in the system.

 

Houston offered Holdzkom back today (link to thread). Campusano has been good so far for the Tigers (5 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 4 K/3 BB, 1 HBP).

 

If they can't convince him to waive his free agency, the Cubs should try to move Miller asap in order to clear the 40 man spot to get Holdzkom back.

[Bruce Miles]

Holdzkom is back. He's been assigned to minor-league camp and is not on the 40-man.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Campy hurt his elbow again:

 

MLB.com[/url]"]Left-hander Edward Campusano left Sunday's split-squad game against the Braves at Disney World after experiencing what the Tigers called left elbow discomfort. He'll be re-examined on Monday in Lakeland.

 

Campusano had just struck out Braves Minor Leaguer Willie Cabrera on a breaking ball when he hunched over, his hands on his knees. Assistant athletic trainer Steve Carter attended to him, and he was immediately removed from the game.

 

Depending on the diagnosis, the Tigers' relief picture could become more complicated. Campusano was looking strong as a second left-handed relief option alongside Wilfredo Ledezma, a race that includes Bobby Seay, Felix Heredia and Tim Byrdak.

 

As a Rule 5 Draft pick, Campusano would have to make the Tigers' 25-man roster for the club to keep him. Detroit can put him on the disabled list if need be, even on Opening Day, but he must spend at least 90 days on the active roster. Otherwise, he'd have to go through the same requirements next year.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ugh, bad news with Campy - TJS and done for the season:

 

DetroitTigers.com[/url]"]LAKELAND, Fla. -- Tigers left-handed reliever Edward Campusano will undergo Tommy John surgery on his left elbow on Tuesday, thus ending his 2007 season before it began.

Campusano was examined on Monday by noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews after initial tests on his elbow last week were inconclusive. The follow-up exam showed a partial ligament tear, according to Campusano's agent, Bill Rego.

 

Dr. Andrews will perform the procedure in Birmingham, Ala., then Campusano will report back to Lakeland for rehabilitation. Though there's no set timetable for a return, a typical recovery time would put him back on the mound sometime early next year. In any scenario, it ends his quest to make the jump from Double-A ball to the bullpen of the defending American League champions this year.

 

...

 

Under Rule 5 Draft terms, a drafted player must spend the entire season on his new club's 25-man roster or else be offered back to his old team for $25,000. In case of injury, if the player spends more than half the season on the disabled list, he can remain on the new club, but goes into the next season with the same restrictions. In other words, the Tigers can put him on the DL and treat him as a Rule 5 pick for next year.

 

It's the third elbow problem in as many years for Campusano, who missed the final couple of weeks of last season with a left elbow strain after missing half of the 2005 season with inflammation. The hope is that, with surgery at a relatively young age, he'll be able to bounce back relatively easily.

 

:(

[the splendid splinter]

From AZPhil at The Cub Reporter:

 

If the Astros offer Lincoln Holdzkom back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, the Cubs would have to place Holdzkomm on their 40-man roster, and then option him to the minors (Holdzkom has two minor league options available). If they try to send him outright to the minors, he has the option to declare himself a FA.

 

If the Blue Jays offer Jason Smith back to the Cubs and the Cubs accept, not only would the Cubs have to place Jason Smith on their 40-man roster, they would have to keep him on their 25-man regular season roster, too. That's because Smith has not only been previously outrighted in his career (so he cannot be outrighted without having the option to be a FA), but he is also out of minor league options.

 

This doesn't apply to Campusano.

 

It's really strange that the Blue Jays took Jason Smith when he was availble as a free agent about a month ago.

 

Has anyone heard any news regarding the chances of Campusano and/or Holdzkom getting returned? It would be nice to have those two back in the system.

 

Houston offered Holdzkom back today (link to thread). Campusano has been good so far for the Tigers (5 IP, 0 R, 1 H, 4 K/3 BB, 1 HBP).

For one thing on Campusano, I think there was a reason the Cubs didnt protect Campy and it looks like it came out and the Tigers cant offer him back until his rehab is completed, so he has to go thru the same process next yr and make the the Tigers club or be offered back to the Cubs. As far as Smith goes, the Cubs had no room to protect Smith but outbidded the Blue Jays who did have room n their 40 man, if they liked him that much why didnt they sign him over the Cubs to their 40 man? One would wonder who's running that ship?

[Cubway]

Josh Hamilton has had a very good spring for the Reds. He has all the tools. One of the announcers said that when Hamilton first came up. he was compared to Mickey Mantle. And he is showing some of the same abilities this spring.

[CubinNY]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

 

Yeah I know.

 

That is why I said earlier in the thread that it is crazy to expect this guy to stick with a major league club after playing only 15 minor league games the past 3 years.

 

And Hamilton made the roster.

 

:-#

[NCCubFan]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

 

Yeah I know.

 

That is why I said earlier in the thread that it is crazy to expect this guy to stick with a major league club after playing only 15 minor league games the past 3 years.

 

And Hamilton made the roster.

 

:-#

And almost got a hit in his first major league at-bat.

[RichHillIsABeast]

And almost got a hit in his first major league at-bat.

 

Murton forgot to read the memo. Good job, adorable red head. 8-)

[Bruno7481]

No he didn't. This is from a USA Today artice on 6/7/2006

 

He hasn't played an organized game of baseball since July 10, 2002, when he hurt his shoulder and elbow and drifted into the drug scene to relieve the boredom from being sidelined.

 

He's played a little bit

 

Yeah I know.

 

That is why I said earlier in the thread that it is crazy to expect this guy to stick with a major league club after playing only 15 minor league games the past 3 years.

 

And Hamilton made the roster.

 

:-#

 

Good for him.

 

I just wish people would quit acting like he was ever property of the Cubs. The Reds moved up to take him in the Cubs spot. As Miles has pointed out, the Cubs had no idea who the Reds were taking. They just knew they were not going to take anybody, so it didn't hurt to trade the pick for a small amount of cash.

[Fro]

We'll see how it goes, but this is looking like a pretty boneheaded decision so far. Hamilton has 2 HRs in 9 at-bats and the Reds fans love his story.