Week 13: Bears vs. Minnesota - Sunday, Dec 3, 12 pm CST

[treebird]

Grossman is playing on a team that has talent enough to win a SB if he just plays avg. He is playing WELL BELOW avg. This is a team that is ready to win NOW, not two years from now like the Titans (Vince Young) or the Cards (Leinart). We can't have patience with Rex b/c windows in the NFL close too quickly.

 

This is a really good point that I was about to mention. The Bears are really set up to win THIS year. Hell, you know the defense is going to be worse next year, just based on the loss of Lance Briggs alone. They have to go for it this season, Grossman's development be damned. If Griese can help the team win more this year, they have to do that.

[RynoRules]

There's a huge difference between a slump/bad play as a hitter compared to a slump/bad play as a quarterback.

 

not really.

 

It's an awful lot easier to hide a slumping number 7 hitter than it is to hide a slumping qb.

 

no it isn't. you just need an O coordinator willing to do so. are you really going to argue the Bears didn't effectively hide Orton last year? same damn thing.

 

Another terrible idea - we should hide him through play calling? How long before defenses start teeing off on that?

 

ah, so let Griese throw the ball down the field. Brilliant!

 

You're right, let's dink and dunk within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage.

 

Are you John Shoop?

[Jon]

Let's not forget that Grossman only has 9 pass attempts and hasn't turned it over in Bears territory. And how many of those were just to get rid of the ball?

 

But he did throw a pick in the red zone, which IMO is worse than throwing it in your own territory.

You'd rather give the opposition a full set of downs to try to put up 7 than lose a chance to likely only put up 3?

 

Honestly, I was thinking about this before I posted, and I'm not sure, especially with our defense.

I'd rather keep points off the board against the defense and let them try to give the offense good field position, personally.

[USSoccer]

There's a huge difference between a slump/bad play as a hitter compared to a slump/bad play as a quarterback.

 

not really.

 

It's an awful lot easier to hide a slumping number 7 hitter than it is to hide a slumping qb.

 

no it isn't. you just need an O coordinator willing to do so. are you really going to argue the Bears didn't effectively hide Orton last year? same damn thing.

 

Another terrible idea - we should hide him through play calling? How long before defenses start teeing off on that?

 

ah, so let Griese throw the ball down the field. Brilliant!

 

You're right, let's dink and dunk within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage.

 

Are you John Shoop?

 

Brian Griese does not posses the arm nor the ability to make good enough decisions to run anything other than a radically scaled down offense.

[RynoRules]

There's a huge difference between a slump/bad play as a hitter compared to a slump/bad play as a quarterback.

 

not really.

 

It's an awful lot easier to hide a slumping number 7 hitter than it is to hide a slumping qb.

 

no it isn't. you just need an O coordinator willing to do so. are you really going to argue the Bears didn't effectively hide Orton last year? same damn thing.

 

Another terrible idea - we should hide him through play calling? How long before defenses start teeing off on that?

 

ah, so let Griese throw the ball down the field. Brilliant!

 

You're right, let's dink and dunk within 7 yards of the line of scrimmage.

 

Are you John Shoop?

 

Brian Griese does not posses the arm nor the ability to make good enough decisions to run anything other than a radically scaled down offense.

 

In your opinion - the reality is something different.

 

BTW, the reality about Rex is revealed through objective stats rather than baseless commentary.

[Jon]

Tommie Harris is down...

[Soul]

Harris is down.

 

This game is going south in a hurry.

[USSoccer]

Grossman is playing on a team that has talent enough to win a SB if he just plays avg. He is playing WELL BELOW avg. This is a team that is ready to win NOW, not two years from now like the Titans (Vince Young) or the Cards (Leinart). We can't have patience with Rex b/c windows in the NFL close too quickly.

 

This is a really good point that I was about to mention. The Bears are really set up to win THIS year. Hell, you know the defense is going to be worse next year, just based on the loss of Lance Briggs alone. They have to go for it this season, Grossman's development be damned. If Griese can help the team win more this year, they have to do that.

 

So you'd advocate playing the inferior veteran over the younger player, when the veteran doesn't give you much over the younger player?

 

winning with Lance Briggsat the expense of Developing Rex is not a good strategy for the long term health of the team.

Edited December 3, 2006 by USSoccer

[Soul]

Rex is playing worse than he did against the Patriots.

 

The Vikings are among the league worst in pass defense.

 

He's regressing.

 

At what point will some of you admit a change needs to happen? When the Vikings beat us? How about after we lose HFA through the playoffs? Once all momentum heading into the playoffs has been destroyed?

 

I'm curious now. What will it take?

[RynoRules]

Again, show me proof that Griese has EVER played this bad.

[Jon]

DAMNIT. Don't throw him onto the ball, Urlacher!!

 

Incomplete? What? HE THREW IT BACKWARDS YOU IDIOTS!!

[RynoRules]

He threw that ball backwards!!! That's not a fwd pass!!!

[jjgman21]

DAMNIT. Don't throw him onto the ball, Urlacher!!

 

Incomplete? What? HE THREW IT BACKWARDS YOU IDIOTS!!

 

I agree with Goose. smart play. flukish that Johnson picked it up.

 

 

 

don't challenge this Lovie

[Jon]

BITE ME, REFS.

[Soul]

Grossman is playing on a team that has talent enough to win a SB if he just plays avg. He is playing WELL BELOW avg. This is a team that is ready to win NOW, not two years from now like the Titans (Vince Young) or the Cards (Leinart). We can't have patience with Rex b/c windows in the NFL close too quickly.

 

This is a really good point that I was about to mention. The Bears are really set up to win THIS year. Hell, you know the defense is going to be worse next year, just based on the loss of Lance Briggs alone. They have to go for it this season, Grossman's development be damned. If Griese can help the team win more this year, they have to do that.

 

So you'd advocate playing the inferior veteran over the younger player, when the veteran doesn't give you much over the younger player?

 

winning with Lance Briggsat the expense of Developing Rex is not a good strategy for the long term health of the team.

 

Your assumption that Griese would be inferior at this point to Rex is not a supportable assertion.

[RynoRules]

That's bull!

[Jon]

Thanks, refs. You really effed that one up.

 

And now Tommie Harris is being carted off the field.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Again, show me proof that Griese has EVER played this bad.

 

Oh you know, his 1.76:1 TD/INT ratio compared to 1.1:1 ratio (before today), Griese's career above average QB rating, and his 5 seasons with over 2600 yards passing?

 

 

 

Doesn't sound good for Tommie.

 

This season is falling apart.

[jjgman21]

dumb dumb dumb.

 

 

who has contain over there?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tommie Harris can't put weight on his left foot, to the locker room.

 

These refs suck.

[Jon]

DAMNIT. Don't throw him onto the ball, Urlacher!!

 

Incomplete? What? HE THREW IT BACKWARDS YOU IDIOTS!!

 

I agree with Goose. smart play. flukish that Johnson picked it up.

 

 

 

don't challenge this Lovie

No, you have to just grab the QB and pull him back, especially when it's 2 on 1 for that ball. The first guy just has to make sure the other player doesn't get to the ball.

 

Tommie Harris out for the rest of the game with a "left leg injury."

[jjgman21]

Grossman is playing on a team that has talent enough to win a SB if he just plays avg. He is playing WELL BELOW avg. This is a team that is ready to win NOW, not two years from now like the Titans (Vince Young) or the Cards (Leinart). We can't have patience with Rex b/c windows in the NFL close too quickly.

 

This is a really good point that I was about to mention. The Bears are really set up to win THIS year. Hell, you know the defense is going to be worse next year, just based on the loss of Lance Briggs alone. They have to go for it this season, Grossman's development be damned. If Griese can help the team win more this year, they have to do that.

 

So you'd advocate playing the inferior veteran over the younger player, when the veteran doesn't give you much over the younger player?

 

winning with Lance Briggsat the expense of Developing Rex is not a good strategy for the long term health of the team.

 

Your assumption that Griese would be inferior at this point to Rex is not a supportable assertion.

 

as is your assumption he would be better.

[jjgman21]

I missed it. what exactly is wrong with Tommie?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tommie Harris out for the game, left leg injury. Doesn't sound good.

[Soul]

Grossman is playing on a team that has talent enough to win a SB if he just plays avg. He is playing WELL BELOW avg. This is a team that is ready to win NOW, not two years from now like the Titans (Vince Young) or the Cards (Leinart). We can't have patience with Rex b/c windows in the NFL close too quickly.

 

This is a really good point that I was about to mention. The Bears are really set up to win THIS year. Hell, you know the defense is going to be worse next year, just based on the loss of Lance Briggs alone. They have to go for it this season, Grossman's development be damned. If Griese can help the team win more this year, they have to do that.

 

So you'd advocate playing the inferior veteran over the younger player, when the veteran doesn't give you much over the younger player?

 

winning with Lance Briggsat the expense of Developing Rex is not a good strategy for the long term health of the team.

 

Your assumption that Griese would be inferior at this point to Rex is not a supportable assertion.

 

as is your assumption he would be better.

 

Just show me where Griese put up a 0 QB rating. Otherwise your just dead wrong.