Rotoworld Rumors (11/17)

[Derwood]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Think outside the box, abuck. Outside the box.

Well if Hendry, as someone suggested, was saying how happy he was as a way of touting Izturis, then Cleveland is simply trying to get Murton for less by saying that they're only interested in a position which the Cubs obviously have nothing to offer them.

 

Obviously I meant that Hendry is thinking of new, creative ways to make this team worse:

 

"Hmmm, I currently employ no less than five players who could, in a pinch, function as a back-up shortstop. How about I give them a cheap, young, productive and improving starting left fielder instead? Eureka!"

 

1. Trade Matt Murton

 

2.

 

3. Profit!

[MPrior]

 

1. Trade Matt Murton

 

2.

 

3. Profit!

 

See, this is the kind of out-of-the-box thinking I'm talking about!

[RynoRules]

- Mariners listening to offers on Sexson and Beltre

 

Gee, what a surprise.

 

http://home.indy.rr.com/themartinfamily/goldmember_fat_bastard.jpg

 

"I'M DEAD SEX-AY!"

[RynoRules]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

[mg420]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

i would rather the cubs keep murton and not sign soriano. drew and westbrook would be great if they can get them.

[RyCubsFan]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

[jmajew]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

 

Yeah I am also not a big fan of trading Murton. I understand that you have to trade value for value but if Carlos Lee is gonna get atleast 5/70 then I dont' see how you would trade someone who put up better numbers than him for just an average starter. Especially when this players will only be making like 500k. It just makes no sense to me.

[Cubsmodano]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

 

Yeah I am also not a big fan of trading Murton. I understand that you have to trade value for value but if Carlos Lee is gonna get atleast 5/70 then I dont' see how you would trade someone who put up better numbers than him for just an average starter. Especially when this players will only be making like 500k. It just makes no sense to me.

 

Matt Murton

.297 .365 .444 13 HR 62 RBI OPS-.809

 

Carlos Lee

.300 .355 .540 37 HR 116RBI OPS-.895

 

Not sure that I'd call Matt Murton better than Carlos Lee.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

 

Yeah I am also not a big fan of trading Murton. I understand that you have to trade value for value but if Carlos Lee is gonna get atleast 5/70 then I dont' see how you would trade someone who put up better numbers than him for just an average starter. Especially when this players will only be making like 500k. It just makes no sense to me.

 

Matt Murton

.297 .365 .444 13 HR 62 RBI OPS-.809

 

Carlos Lee

.300 .355 .540 37 HR 116RBI OPS-.895

 

Not sure that I'd call Matt Murton better than Carlos Lee.

 

He was probably referring to post ASB numbers which have been cited before:

 

311/358/512/870 - Lee

319/390/522/912 - Murton

[YearofDaCubs]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

 

Yeah I am also not a big fan of trading Murton. I understand that you have to trade value for value but if Carlos Lee is gonna get atleast 5/70 then I dont' see how you would trade someone who put up better numbers than him for just an average starter. Especially when this players will only be making like 500k. It just makes no sense to me.

 

Matt Murton

.297 .365 .444 13 HR 62 RBI OPS-.809

 

Carlos Lee

.300 .355 .540 37 HR 116RBI OPS-.895

 

Not sure that I'd call Matt Murton better than Carlos Lee.

I believe Murton put up better numbers post allstar than CLee. Is it just me or doesn't seem CLee always tapers down during the 2nd half of the season? I could be wrong but for the past couple of years it seemed that way to me.

Edited November 17, 2006 by YearofDaCubs

[VanceJergins]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Think outside the box, abuck. Outside the box.

Well if Hendry, as someone suggested, was saying how happy he was as a way of touting Izturis, then Cleveland is simply trying to get Murton for less by saying that they're only interested in a position which the Cubs obviously have nothing to offer them.

 

Obviously I meant that Hendry is thinking of new, creative ways to make this team worse:

 

"Hmmm, I currently employ no less than five players who could, in a pinch, function as a back-up shortstop. How about I give them a cheap, young, productive and improving starting left fielder instead? Eureka!"

 

1. Trade Matt Murton

 

2.

 

3. Profit!

 

Haha. I hope this is just speculation by rotoworld. If they really are looking for a backup ss and Hendry gives them Murton....I....I...I dont know what I'd do....but there'd be lots of crying and childhood toys involved.

[RynoRules]

I don't agree that Westbrook is an avg starter:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/westbja01.shtml

[baseball7897]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

[Rob]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

 

"Not good" is being far too kind. They're pretty horrid.

 

I can see cases for Westbrook, Lilly, Padilla... but Meche, Marquis, and Batista should be nowhere near a pro ball club (except for the cardinals).

[VanceJergins]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

 

I wouldnt mind them competing for the 5th spot, but thats about it.

[goonys evil twin]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

 

"Not good" is being far too kind. They're pretty horrid.

 

I can see cases for Westbrook, Lilly, Padilla... but Meche, Marquis, and Batista should be nowhere near a pro ball club (except for the cardinals).

 

Batista has been pretty good. Marquis has been pretty good at times, but stunk last year. Meche, well, he's been below average. But none of them are horrid and all deserve starting jobs.

[baseball7897]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

 

"Not good" is being far too kind. They're pretty horrid.

 

I can see cases for Westbrook, Lilly, Padilla... but Meche, Marquis, and Batista should be nowhere near a pro ball club (except for the cardinals).

 

The way you guys want to throw money at hitter's, there is going to absolutley no money to spend for pitching. I would hate to see the Cubs go into next year having to out slug their opponents 10-8 every game. That is not the way you build a baseball team.

[Rob]

Meche, Westbrook, and Marquis are the guys Hendry should target.

 

Zambrano

Westbrook

Hill

Meche

Marquis/Miller/Prior

 

Are you on a quest to have crappy pitching? Marquis and Meche are not good.

 

"Not good" is being far too kind. They're pretty horrid.

 

I can see cases for Westbrook, Lilly, Padilla... but Meche, Marquis, and Batista should be nowhere near a pro ball club (except for the cardinals).

 

The way you guys want to throw money at hitter's, there is going to absolutley no money to spend for pitching. I would hate to see the Cubs go into next year having to out slug their opponents 10-8 every game. That is not the way you build a baseball team.

 

I'd rather throw the money at hitters that can make a real difference than pitchers that aren't a wonderful bet to outperform our young cheap guys.

 

JD Drew is guaranteed to be more productive than Pie in the outfield... Jason Marquis is not anywhere near guaranteed to be more productive than Guzman, Marshall, or Marmol.

 

You can't build a baseball team by throwing tons of money at guys who you can't be sure are even going to help. I'd rather have to outslug our opponents 10-8 every game than have an offense that can only generate 3 runs a game and then ask Marquis to hold on to that lead.

[jmajew]

how does young, talented outfielder (murton) = back up ss?

 

Dunno, but I would do Murton for Westbrook straight up, especially if we ink Soriano and Drew as rumored.

 

Only if Westbrook was locked up longterm. Even then, I'm not sure. It's probably fair, but I'm just really bias toward Murton. He's my fav. player.

 

Besides, I don't think the Indians really want/need an outfielder. We really need to trade from our strength, which is bullpen pitching and even young arms.

 

Yeah I am also not a big fan of trading Murton. I understand that you have to trade value for value but if Carlos Lee is gonna get atleast 5/70 then I dont' see how you would trade someone who put up better numbers than him for just an average starter. Especially when this players will only be making like 500k. It just makes no sense to me.

 

Matt Murton

.297 .365 .444 13 HR 62 RBI OPS-.809

 

Carlos Lee

.300 .355 .540 37 HR 116RBI OPS-.895

 

Not sure that I'd call Matt Murton better than Carlos Lee.

I believe Murton put up better numbers post allstar than CLee. Is it just me or doesn't seem CLee always tapers down during the 2nd half of the season? I could be wrong but for the past couple of years it seemed that way to me.

 

Yes my mistake. I did mean post All-star break.

[kylescubs23]

I would much rather have Westbrook and Jennings as opposed to any of the free agent starters. At the expense of Murton, I don't know, but those two are much better than any of the free agents.

 

Z

Hill

Jennings

Westbrook

Prior/Miller/Marshall

 

I'll take it.

[ShawonOmeter12]

it is been made very apperant that murton's numbers post break are better than lee's but lees toal numbers dominate murton's. i really could care less about the pre and post break splits, it is a full season and game one is just as important as game 162 so i think overall production is the number to look at. just my opinion though.

[goonys evil twin]

it is been made very apperant that murton's numbers post break are better than lee's but lees toal numbers dominate murton's. i really could care less about the pre and post break splits, it is a full season and game one is just as important as game 162 so i think overall production is the number to look at. just my opinion though.

 

Yes, but the fact is Murton did that at 24, and should be improving. Lee is going into his 30's, and could be declining. It's about going forward. We're not asking which player you'd prefer to have on the 2006 Cubs. The trends (and financial difference) would seem to favor Murton going forward.

[C.C.]

it is been made very apperant that murton's numbers post break are better than lee's but lees toal numbers dominate murton's. i really could care less about the pre and post break splits, it is a full season and game one is just as important as game 162 so i think overall production is the number to look at. just my opinion though.

 

I think what people are saying is that Matt Murton improved from the first half to the second half. Which means he's making progress and should continue to progress. Since last year was his first full major league season it'll be interesting to see how he fares next year.

[ShawonOmeter12]

it is been made very apperant that murton's numbers post break are better than lee's but lees toal numbers dominate murton's. i really could care less about the pre and post break splits, it is a full season and game one is just as important as game 162 so i think overall production is the number to look at. just my opinion though.

 

I think what people are saying is that Matt Murton improved from the first half to the second half. Which means he's making progress and should continue to progress. Since last year was his first full major league season it'll be interesting to see how he fares next year.

 

i am in favor of murton starting for us but if we get lee for example i will not complain, we need impact bats and right now lee is one, 3 years from now he might not be but he is now. i want to win now so i don't really care about the payroll, the cubs can spend with the best of them so we shouldn't have to worry about payroll problems too much in the future.