"Sosa Uncensored" (Safe for Work)

[Guest]

Sammy could spend the rest of his life shaking better Cub hands.

 

I've been on this planet a long time, and seldom have I heard or read a statement so glaringly wrong as this one.

 

I don't know - digging them up could take some time.

[biittner77]

Sammy could spend the rest of his life shaking better Cub hands.

 

I be he thinks he's a pretty man, too.

 

Name one player who had a better offensive career in chicago than sammy.

156 was Banks's best OPS+ total, in 1958. He OPS'd .980 that year and hit 47 dingers.

 

Sammy's OPS+ from 1998-2002 read:

 

160

141

169

201 (!)

160

 

The numbers point in Roast's favor here.

 

He did that while playing SS. He also did it at a time when 30 HRs was considered a very good season. That has to count for something.

 

Maybe Sosa is mad because Ernie Banks never shook his hand.

[FergieJ31]

Sammy could spend the rest of his life shaking better Cub hands.

 

I be he thinks he's a pretty man, too.

 

Name one player who had a better offensive career in chicago than sammy.

156 was Banks's best OPS+ total, in 1958. He OPS'd .980 that year and hit 47 dingers.

 

Sammy's OPS+ from 1998-2002 read:

 

160

141

169

201 (!)

160

 

The numbers point in Roast's favor here.

 

He did that while playing SS. He also did it at a time when 30 HRs was considered a very good season. That has to count for something.

 

 

Exactly. Who had the best offensive career as a Cub? For the question to have any meaning context has to count for something -- at least era played if not position played.

 

Sammy put up monstrous numbers in 2001 but the whole league was hitting that year. There were over a dozen guys with OPS over 1.000; compare that with Banks' big '58 and '59 years: Only 5 guys had OPS over 1.000 in '58 and just 2 in '59 (Aaron and McCovey).

 

So I don't agree that the numbers necessarily go against Banks in context -- and certainly not for Gabby Hartnett. Hack Wilson's '26 - '31 is another career on par with Sammy's in Chicago.

[Pinktermite]

Ernie, Gabby, and Hack get more credit because they didn't use cork and human growth hormone. Sammy's numbers are inflated, just like Bonds and McGuire and Palmeiro and they will all forever be tarnished and hopefully NONE will make it to the HOF on the first...or even the second ballot.

 

Pete Rose might have bet on baseball, but he didn't juice...and he's not in the HOF...neither should Sammy and these other guys until Santo is in at least.

 

Sammy's numbers are inflated and shouldn't be in the CUBS top five, let alone MLB's top anything.

[Soul]

So then I guess Bonds will be refusing to claim the HR title because Aaron got his dingers in a 'different era' huh? Perhaps some of the great pitchers of yore should give up all their accolades too.....because after all, they pitched in a 'pitcher's era.'

 

Come on. Sammy's numbers are his numbers. You all are just making excuses to hate on him because you feel betrayed by him. Face it.

 

I feel betrayed by him too. But in life, you must take the good with the bad, and Sammy provided one heck of a lot of good along with his bad.

[Pinktermite]

I have not a single grudge against sammy, he made his bed and should pay the price for it.

 

He needs an interpreter at the hearings?

He used (and probably always did) use cork.

He likely juiced...thought it'll never be proven.

Everybody else and their sister was hitting the hell out of the ball from 98-2002.

 

I don't buy that sammy is in the Cubs top all time hitters, I just don't buy it.

 

I'll take Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Gabby, Hack, Mark Grace, Bill Buckner...many others.

 

A certain amount of a hitter's quality is how he lives his baseball life isn't it? I mean, if we do it with Pete Rose...we should do it with everyone shouldn't we?

 

Sammy was great...but he's tarnished, and therefore deserves a spot high on this list. Richard Nixon did some good things, but he was tarnished, and therefore is always and forever associated with corruption...this thing with sammy is the same kinda thing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

A certain amount of a hitter's quality is how he lives his baseball life isn't it?

 

 

No, it's not. In fact, I find the whole statement ridiculous.

[Andy]

OPS+ accounts for the era...which is why I felt it made a good case.