Trib says Figgins could come to Chi-town

[fromthestretch]

no matter what if we can get figgins for basically nothing we should get him. Even if he doest start which would be dumb he is one of the best utility guys in the league. Hes good defensivly, hes unbelievably fast and isnt much worse with OBPs or avg compared to Pierre

 

You must mean as an outfielder, because he's not good defensively as an infielder. There's a difference between being able to play a position and being able to play that position well.

 

Russ McGinnis could play both corner outfield positions, both corner infield positions, and could catch. That doesn't mean he was any good at any of those positions.

[baseball7897]

no matter what if we can get figgins for basically nothing we should get him. Even if he doest start which would be dumb he is one of the best utility guys in the league. Hes good defensivly, hes unbelievably fast and isnt much worse with OBPs or avg compared to Pierre

 

Figgins is not very good with the glove. He is a switch hitting Juan Pierre.

[rjchapma]

r u honestly telling me you would rather have nefi over chone because he cost 1 to 2 million dollars left a year. By the way he is a good fielder well at least better than pierre, plus he can play about everything besides pitcher and catcher.

hint thats why they call him the SUPER SUB

[Pinktermite]

I don't know about Figgins. I mean, he stole 52 bases but was caught 16 times...he seems too JuanPierrish to me. He has a little more pop (just a little b/c of 9 homers) but his slg% sucks...

 

This is the kinda guy that we don't gain from getting in my opinion. We have a cheap alternative for a utility man in Pagan (not great either, and not an infielder i guess) and would Figgins even accept the demotion to this role?

 

Does he play he outfield too?

[Pinktermite]

I don't know much about the guy, that's why i'm asking, i am just looking at him on paper and it would seem a Theriot or someone could do the same thing leaving money for something else.

[rjchapma]

yeah he played center field almost the entire season! and its 2 million dollars does anybody realize how much money we can afford to use. 2 million dollars wont put a damper on it.

[baseball7897]

yeah he played center field almost the entire season! and its 2 million dollars does anybody realize how much money we can afford to use. 2 million dollars wont put a damper on it.

 

I would rather have Vernon Wells in CF.

 

Figgins is a very verstile player. Probably one of the most athletic players in the league.

[rjchapma]

well yeah obviously, but if we dont have to give up much for figgins why not get him. we can fit him in somewhere.

[goonys evil twin]

well yeah obviously, but if we dont have to give up much for figgins why not get him. we can fit him in somewhere.

 

There are a lot of players who are worth having if you don't have to give up much for them. It's not that easy to get those guys though. He was a valuable piece when he was very cheap. But now that he's getting paid, his value is minimal.

[CuseCubFan69]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

 

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

[mg420]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

 

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

[CuseCubFan69]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

 

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

 

When the Cubs have a Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen to surround the Ecksteins that would be fine but they don't. You take the mediocre players and I'll take the impact guys and we'll see who does better.

[Wheelimus]

It all depends on the cost. For a couple mid-level prospects? Sure, he can help us, he's already an upgrade over Pierre in center, and if we do better there, he can work himself into the equation for the two middle infield spots. Wouldn't you rather have Theriot at short and Figgins at second than have Izturis in there? Now, if the price is greater, it all depends on the price.

 

And speaking of Mr. Arthritic Piece of Crap himself, he might be a good piece of a deal, but that's better served in the Vernon Wells thread. :D

[mg420]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

 

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

 

When the Cubs have a Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen to surround the Ecksteins that would be fine but they don't. You take the mediocre players and I'll take the impact guys and we'll see who does better.

 

i guess lee, aram (hopefully) & barrett dont count for anything then.

[UK1679666180]

They matter, but Figgins over Pierre (even with a healthy Lee/Ramirez back) will likely not impact this offense enough to change things. They need a middle of the order type of hitter (power) and a leadoff hitter (high OBP).

 

Eckstein is that higher OBP type, Figgins is not.

 

Of course, improving that offense is half of the equation. The pitching needs to be of equal priority with 2 starters likely needed (top of the rotation and middle). Not much needed as far as the pen, but the Cubs need 2 bats off the bench.

[CuseCubFan69]

Don't get too excited...Figgins is Pierre with Ks.

 

Figgins is also Pierre with about twice as many walks, and a few more runs scored. And a bit more power.

 

I'd take Figgins over Pierre any day. He's a better player, with more versatility. Only problem is we need more run production from our outfield.

 

He's not worth the player cost. We don't have much in the way of tradeable assets to work with; I'd rather save what we have for a better player.

 

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

 

When the Cubs have a Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen to surround the Ecksteins that would be fine but they don't. You take the mediocre players and I'll take the impact guys and we'll see who does better.

 

i guess lee, aram (hopefully) & barrett dont count for anything then.

 

If Ramirez is re-signed that would count and be a decent base but the Cubs have too many holes and need another impact bat along with an impact pitcher then you can talk about a Figgins.

[mg420]

They matter, but Figgins over Pierre (even with a healthy Lee/Ramirez back) will likely not impact this offense enough to change things. They need a middle of the order type of hitter (power) and a leadoff hitter (high OBP).

 

Eckstein is that higher OBP type, Figgins is not.

 

Of course, improving that offense is half of the equation. The pitching needs to be of equal priority with 2 starters likely needed (top of the rotation and middle). Not much needed as far as the pen, but the Cubs need 2 bats off the bench.

 

eckstein career obp .351

figgins career obp .345

[UK1679666180]

I wouldn't want either one of them for the Cubs, but as far as Figgins, it'll always be hard for him to have a high OBP while being so depenent on putting the ball in play.

 

They need someone more like Durham or Lofton in the short-term moreso than Figgins, IMO.

[Abe Frohman]

If Neifi Perez can get 2.5-3 million for a back-up role, Chone Figgins is worth 4 million a year off the bench.

 

That is horrible logic. Overpaying one guy does not justify overpaying another.

 

I need to work on telegraphing my sarcasm more efficiently. I seriously do think Figgins would be a great addition off the bench.

[CuseCubFan69]

I wouldn't want either one of them for the Cubs, but as far as Figgins, it'll always be hard for him to have a high OBP while being so depenent on putting the ball in play.

 

They need someone more like Durham or Lofton in the short-term moreso than Figgins, IMO.

 

I agree. You could sign a Durham to play 2nd and have Theriot and Cedeno battle it out for SS and bat 8th and trade for an impact bat for the OF.

[fromthestretch]

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

 

Well, if the Cubs want to strive for 83 wins next year, they can model their team after the 2006 Cardinals. Frankly, I don't think 83 wins will equal a postseason appearance next year, so I'd prefer to sign and/or trade for guys that are better offensively than Figgins.

 

If he can be acquired for little in return, I have no problem with Figgins in a super-sub role, outside of the fact that he's terrible defensively as an infielder. I'd prefer the Cubs don't deal a lot for him and then count on him to be the starting CF or 2B.

 

If the Cubs are going to make a deal with the Angels for someone with some versatility, deal Izturis for his brother.

[mg420]

you're right. i guess mediocre cast offs like podsednik & eckstein weren't a big part of their respective teams success.

 

Well, if the Cubs want to strive for 83 wins next year, they can model their team after the 2006 Cardinals. Frankly, I don't think 83 wins will equal a postseason appearance next year, so I'd prefer to sign and/or trade for guys that are better offensively than Figgins.

 

If he can be acquired for little in return, I have no problem with Figgins in a super-sub role, outside of the fact that he's terrible defensively as an infielder. I'd prefer the Cubs don't deal a lot for him and then count on him to be the starting CF or 2B.

 

If the Cubs are going to make a deal with the Angels for someone with some versatility, deal Izturis for his brother.

 

 

that is a silly corollation imo. the cards only won 83 games because of key injuries to guys like puljos, roland, izzy & edmunds not because they had eckstein at ss.

[biittner77]

Figgins is the type of guy who is valuable as a pre-arbitration guy coming up through your system. If you can produce such a guy to throw into the mix, and pay him well below league average, he's fine. But once he starts hitting those arbitration seasons, and especially after he hits free agency, he's going to be overpaid for underproduction. He's owed more than $8m over the next two years, and that's simply too much for what he does, especially if you have to give up talent to get him.

 

What if you could trade off someone else that was overpaid- like Dempster- for Figgins? That would save the Cubs ~2 million and fill a hole. Under those circumstances Figgins probably has a better chance to help the team, especially considering the alternative which is continue to pay Dempster $5 million and still have to pay someone else $2-3 million to play 2nd base.

[soapy]

This is what worries me. Hendry trading assets away for mediocre players and leaving himself with nothing left for an impact player. Get those impact players first and then piddle around for players like Figgins.

This is exactly my concern. I have no problem going after guys like Figgins or other "role players" (I hate that term, but bear with me). The important thing to do is to get your impact players first, then if you have enough money (or trade chips) left over, you pursue guys like Figgins.

[Chocolate Milk]

I love his name.