Lou wants A-rod

[TruffleShuffle]

Pie and Veal to the Marlins

Dontrelle Willis to the Yankees

A-rod to the Cubs

 

I think this, or something like it (key transactions are Willis to Yankees, A-Rod to Cubs and prospects to Florida) is the best and most realistic idea I've seen in this thread.

[jmajew]

Pie and Veal to the Marlins

Dontrelle Willis to the Yankees

A-rod to the Cubs

 

I think this, or something like it (key transactions are Willis to Yankees, A-Rod to Cubs and prospects to Florida) is the best and most realistic idea I've seen in this thread.

 

My thing is I don't want to trade any of Aram, Lee, Zambrano, Hill, or Prior. I think if we can work out a three way deal in which we get a top of the rotation starter for prospects we will have what it takes to get A-rod. I'd consider trading Prior but Hill and Zambrano are off limits. If we want to win next year we will need both of them.

 

A three way deal is the only way we can get A-Rod. We most likely will not be willing to trade what the yankees want.

[USSoccer]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

[Backtobanks]

There is NO way that you trade Zambrano for ARod. Didn't anybody learn from the Yankees mistakes? Having an All-Star lineup with mediocre pitching doesn't get you very far. Also, I would think the Cubs would like to find a way to keep ARam and put ARod at SS since they have an offensive hole at SS, but not at 3B. As many of you have posted, there needs to be a third team involved for the Cubs to have a shot at ARod.

[USSoccer]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

[goonys evil twin]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

[USSoccer]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

[soapy]

How about this deal?

 

Cubs get: Arod

Yankees get Blalock and Eyre

Rangers get Prior.

You really think the Yankees would trade Arod for a downgrade at 3B and one reliever? I'd do it and I think the Rangers would, but I don't know if the Yankees would.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Pie and Veal to the Marlins

Dontrelle Willis to the Yankees

A-rod to the Cubs

 

I think this, or something like it (key transactions are Willis to Yankees, A-Rod to Cubs and prospects to Florida) is the best and most realistic idea I've seen in this thread.

 

no to Veal

 

I might be the only Cub fan who doesnt want A-Rod. not unless we dont trade anything...

[WrigleyField 22]

for Arod and 18M (0,6,6,6) So we pay Arod (20,13,14,15)

 

That's not right, since Texas is paying a bunch.

 

According to http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=991

 

He is due 27M in 2007-2010. Rangers are paying 7, 8, 7, 6. So the Yanks are set to pay: 20, 19, 20, 21.

 

Now there is also a bunch of deferred money. I'm not really sure how all that works out.

 

According to Cot's the Yanks owe A-Rod $64mil over 4 years after 2006 (at 16/yr) . The rest is all on Texas. That's the $11mil in salary each year until 2010, plus all of the deferred money. They also add that he "may opt out after 2007 unless he gets an $8M/year raise or $1M more than MLB’s highest-paid player."

 

The total of mlb4u's salary 04-10 paid by texas is only $43mil, not $67mil which they say.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. If thats the case, it really wouldn't matter if the Yanks didn't pick up more than 5-10M for the length of the contract, coming out to only a few million a year.

[soapy]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

That is what I was thinking at first, but I'm not sure. I'm wondering if Piniella would try to convince Hendry that Arod can go back to SS. Also, if the reports are true that Hendry views Soriano as an option in CF (huge if), perhaps he's opening up his mind a little.

 

I don't really believe that, but I guess it's possible.

[goonys evil twin]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

[USSoccer]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

 

I think even Hendry's not so dumb as to think Arod/ARam isn't better than ARod/Izturis.

 

We'll see, though. Maybe all this talk about seriously building for a WS is more than just talk.

[soapy]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

He could always move Izturis to 2B (not that he should).

[TheDude]

How about this deal?

 

Cubs get: Arod

Yankees get Blalock and Eyre

Rangers get Prior.

You really think the Yankees would trade Arod for a downgrade at 3B and one reliever? I'd do it and I think the Rangers would, but I don't know if the Yankees would.

 

Don't forget in this scenario the Yankees free up 10+ million to put towards Schmidt or Zito. whether the Yankees like or not, trading A-Rod is not about equal value, it's about budget realignment.

[USSoccer]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

He could always move Izturis to 2B (not that he should).

 

Actually, it's not a terrible idea, given Izturis' arthritic elbow.

[goonys evil twin]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

 

I think even Hendry's not so dumb as to think Arod/ARam isn't better than ARod/Izturis.

 

I don't think it's a matter of him thinking Izturis is better than Ramirez. I think it's a matter of him wanting to save money to spend on worthless bench players, combined with the thought that ARod might not be a SS anymore, and that Ramirez might be too lazy for Lou. If you don't really want to extend Ramirez, but feel pressured to since you have so few options, then ARod solves a lot of problems.

[goonys evil twin]

The funny thing about the national reports is that they're assuming ARod would play 3B.

 

He shouldn't even be playing 3B for NY. He's a fantastic SS.

 

I get the feeling that the only way the Cubs get him is if Ramirez leaves, which means 3B it is.

 

Because NY won't deal ARod without a good 3B coming back, or because Hendry won't resign Ramirez?

 

Because Hendry wouldn't resign Ramirez and trade for Rodriguez. Plus, I think he's still giddy about getting Izturis for SS.

He could always move Izturis to 2B (not that he should).

 

Actually, it's not a terrible idea, given Izturis' arthritic elbow.

 

People complain about a $20m bullpen, could you imagine a $46m infield, not even counting the inevitable $2m of bench help?

 

Ideally you find a way to dump Izturiz, resign Ramirez and trade for ARod. Not sure how that will work though.

[Banedon]

I don't think it's a matter of him thinking Izturis is better than Ramirez. I think it's a matter of him wanting to save money to spend on worthless bench players, combined with the thought that ARod might not be a SS anymore, and that Ramirez might be too lazy for Lou. If you don't really want to extend Ramirez, but feel pressured to since you have so few options, then ARod solves a lot of problems.

 

I admittedly may be nuts here, but I think Hendry may be a bit more spend happy this season than any other. If the payroll increase rumors are true, and Hendry is trying to save his job, wouldn't he go all out for all the big names he can?

 

I'm thinking an infield of A-ram, A-rod, Soriano and D-Lee would be fearsome. Then C Lee, Jacque/Murton, and whoever you have in CF. I'd even live with Pierre with that lineup. I'm not a guy to figure up all the salaries, and I'm sure that would be one spendy lineup, but I really think Jim is wanting to do something like this.

 

I could be crazy though.

[USSoccer]

I don't think it's a matter of him thinking Izturis is better than Ramirez. I think it's a matter of him wanting to save money to spend on worthless bench players, combined with the thought that ARod might not be a SS anymore, and that Ramirez might be too lazy for Lou. If you don't really want to extend Ramirez, but feel pressured to since you have so few options, then ARod solves a lot of problems.

 

I admittedly may be nuts here, but I think Hendry may be a bit more spend happy this season than any other. If the payroll increase rumors are true, and Hendry is trying to save his job, wouldn't he go all out for all the big names he can?

 

I'm thinking an infield of A-ram, A-rod, Soriano and D-Lee would be fearsome. Then C Lee, Jacque/Murton, and whoever you have in CF. I'd even live with Pierre with that lineup. I'm not a guy to figure up all the salaries, and I'm sure that would be one spendy lineup, but I really think Jim is wanting to do something like this.

 

I could be crazy though.

 

Hendry tends to overdo whatever his offseason theme is. If his theme is spend, spend spend, we could see that infield.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't think it's a matter of him thinking Izturis is better than Ramirez. I think it's a matter of him wanting to save money to spend on worthless bench players, combined with the thought that ARod might not be a SS anymore, and that Ramirez might be too lazy for Lou. If you don't really want to extend Ramirez, but feel pressured to since you have so few options, then ARod solves a lot of problems.

 

I admittedly may be nuts here, but I think Hendry may be a bit more spend happy this season than any other. If the payroll increase rumors are true, and Hendry is trying to save his job, wouldn't he go all out for all the big names he can?

 

I'm thinking an infield of A-ram, A-rod, Soriano and D-Lee would be fearsome. Then C Lee, Jacque/Murton, and whoever you have in CF. I'd even live with Pierre with that lineup. I'm not a guy to figure up all the salaries, and I'm sure that would be one spendy lineup, but I really think Jim is wanting to do something like this.

 

I could be crazy though.

 

Shine on you crazy diamond.

 

In previous scenarios I was assuming a $100-105m payroll, with the Yankees picking up part of ARod's deal and keeping Ramirez. But that's kind of a rosy picture. If Hendry is going to spend, I think he might tell NYY he will take on all of ARod's deal. And if he's also getting Soriano, and some pitchers, and thinking of Carlos Lee, he's going to surpass $115m really quickly.

 

I think the expanded budget just might make him more willing to go higher on the guys he wants, as opposed to getting a lot more guys.

 

I think odds are Ramirez will be a Cub and Rodrigues won't. But, I also think that the only way they get Rodriguez is if Ramirez leaves. There's always a catch when it comes to the Cubs.

[Banedon]

Shine on you crazy diamond.

 

And I didn't even touch on pitching!!! :loco:

[Bull]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

[USSoccer]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

[Banedon]

At least if the Cubs trade Hill, they're selling high for once.

 

Choi

 

Salary dump. Florida was going to non tender Lee after the Baltimore deal fell through. Hendry swooped in and made a decent deal, but Choi's value wasn't near Hill's at the moment.

 

How about Francis Beltran, Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris?

 

Yeah, Nomar was injured, but Jim still sold pretty high and got Nomar and Murton out of it.