College Basketball 2006-2007

[Derwood]

btw, Clemson-FSU is a big, big game as far as bubble implications. Clemson has played poorly down the stretch, but I think there's a decent chance they get in with a win over the Noles. Their non-conf schedule was a joke, but the ACC was tough, and they have a pretty good road/neutral record. I guess they might need a good performance against their next opponent, though.

 

Lunardi and others have basically called that game an elimination game. They even go so far as to say that Clemson has to win that game AND the UNC game in the quarter finals

[TruffleShuffle]

btw, Clemson-FSU is a big, big game as far as bubble implications. Clemson has played poorly down the stretch, but I think there's a decent chance they get in with a win over the Noles. Their non-conf schedule was a joke, but the ACC was tough, and they have a pretty good road/neutral record. I guess they might need a good performance against their next opponent, though.

 

Lunardi and others have basically called that game an elimination game. They even go so far as to say that Clemson has to win that game AND the UNC game in the quarter finals

 

That's a little much... but I do think Clemson has to beat UNC to feel secure about being in the field.

 

Big 10 brickfest of the day: Michigan 20, Minnesota 16 :roll:

[CubColtPacer]

btw, Clemson-FSU is a big, big game as far as bubble implications. Clemson has played poorly down the stretch, but I think there's a decent chance they get in with a win over the Noles. Their non-conf schedule was a joke, but the ACC was tough, and they have a pretty good road/neutral record. I guess they might need a good performance against their next opponent, though.

 

Lunardi and others have basically called that game an elimination game. They even go so far as to say that Clemson has to win that game AND the UNC game in the quarter finals

 

That's a little much... but I do think Clemson has to beat UNC to feel secure about being in the field.

 

Big 10 brickfest of the day: Michigan 20, Minnesota 16 :roll:

 

I thought you'd feel right at home with that Big 10 game Truffle-it's like a Patriot League game :D

[Derwood]

if Illinois loses to Penn State today they should just fold their program and give the scholarship money to women's lacrosse

[TruffleShuffle]

I thought you'd feel right at home with that Big 10 game Truffle-it's like a Patriot League game :D

 

hell, even holy cross-bucknell might have more than 36 points at halftime tomorrow

 

by the way, michigan and minnesota are a combined 13-44 (just under 30%)

[TruffleShuffle]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

[Andy]

ooh bracketology has #6 ND versus #11 winthrop.... i'll gladly take the eagles in that matchup

Bracketology is wrong. No way ND is below a 5 if they win today against Cuse IMO. Their RPI is 33, but just about every other ratings system known to man has them in the top 20.

 

Lunardi is very good. A 33 RPI hasn't been enough to get teams off the bubble in the past, and their 117th SOS doesn't help matters either.

Yes, but the case you're referring to is when a mid-major bubble team has a 33 RPI, not when it's the 4th-place team in a conference that had 10 good teams this year. ND also has a 5-6 away-from-home record which is about average for a tournament team, and boasts a 7-3 record against RPI top 100 teams.

[Derwood]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

 

which is what almost happened to the Illini against Arizona a couple years ago.

[TruffleShuffle]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

 

 

which is what almost happened to the Illini against Arizona a couple years ago.

 

 

That's why I didn't pick Illinois that year... just way too much reliance on the three.

 

btw looks like nova decided to finally show up

[CubColtPacer]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

 

The problem is, half of those years had great guards as well. UConn relied about as much on Gordon as Okafor. Warrick was important, but Anthony on the perimeter was key during the tournament (he's not a big man really or a guard). Maryland got there in 2002, but it was not Baxter and Wilcox that was the difference-IU would have won without the 25-30 points scored by Juan Dixon. Guards get you deep in the tournament-a team with at least one great guard and a great big man wins the tournament.

[TruffleShuffle]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

 

The problem is, half of those years had great guards as well. UConn relied about as much on Gordon as Okafor. Warrick was important, but Anthony on the perimeter was key during the tournament (he's not a big man really or a guard). Maryland got there in 2002, but it was not Baxter and Wilcox that was the difference-IU would have won without the 25-30 points scored by Juan Dixon. Guards get you deep in the tournament-a team with at least one great guard and a great big man wins the tournament.

 

I don't think you need a great guard. Florida didn't have one last year. My point was not that a team can win with crappy guards - obviously no team is going to win with glaring holes on their team - but that I won't even consider picking a team like the 2005 Illinois squad to win it all. I want a team with at least one really good option down low who they can go to when they need points.

[TruffleShuffle]

oh, and Carmelo Anthony was NOT a perimeter player. He took 99 shots in the tourney and only 21 (about 22%) were threes, and he averaged 10 rebounds a game. Gerry McNamara was the perimeter player on that team.

[CubColtPacer]

oh, and Carmelo Anthony was NOT a perimeter player. He took 99 shots in the tourney and only 21 (about 22%) were threes, and he averaged 10 rebounds a game. Gerry McNamara was the perimeter player on that team.

 

22% were 3's, and he took many, many 15-18 foot jumpers in that tournament. He was a wing player-he did not play inside very much at all. McNamara you're right was their best actual guard.

[Andy]

ESPN360 won't work on Mac's. Mac's are the only computers in this classroom.

 

I have now gone from disliking Mac's severely to everlastingly hating them.

[TruffleShuffle]

oh, and Carmelo Anthony was NOT a perimeter player. He took 99 shots in the tourney and only 21 (about 22%) were threes, and he averaged 10 rebounds a game. Gerry McNamara was the perimeter player on that team.

 

22% were 3's, and he took many, many 15-18 foot jumpers in that tournament. He was a wing player-he did not play inside very much at all.

 

He must have been a hell of a player to finish 3rd in the conference in rebounds per game (10.0) and average 3 offensive rebounds per game while "not playing inside very much at all".

 

And 22% of your shots for three is not a lot. 67% of Gerry McNamara's shots were from beyond the arc. THAT is a lot.

Edited March 8, 2007 by TruffleShuffle

[Derwood]

good luck in the NIT, Clemson

[Andy]

Big East should have 8 teams in now with WV winning last night - it's a lock if the Mountaineers can topple Louisville tonight.

 

ND/Cuse coming up after GTown held off Nova.

[TruffleShuffle]

Big East should have 8 teams in now with WV winning last night - it's a lock if the Mountaineers can topple Louisville tonight.

 

I really, really, really don't want WVU to get in. Their schedule was a joke, they haven't beaten one decent team on the road, and their only really impressive win was against a team that had to travel across the country in the middle of their conference play without a point guard. 17-1 against teams outside the top 100 RPI, but 4-7 against top 100 RPI teams. Sorry, not impressed at all.

[TruffleShuffle]

Michigan 49

Minnesota 40

 

 

terrible.

[Derwood]

Michigan 49

Minnesota 40

 

 

terrible.

 

the first round of this Big 10 is total crap. MSU vs. NU followed by PSU vs. UofI. Nearly unwatchable basketball

[CaliforniaRaisin]

digger phelps is on the winthrop bandwagon

 

i disagree about good guard play being the key to a deep run in the tourney... gimme a team with a reliable inside game and/or a dominant big guy over a team with great guards anyday.

 

2006: Joakim Noah, Al Horford

2005: Sean May

2004: Emeka Okafor

2003: Hakim Warrick

2002: Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox

 

 

Guards are nice, but at some point a perimeter team is gonna run into a good perimeter defense, or just have an off game.

 

which is what almost happened to the Illini against Arizona a couple years ago.

 

That's what happened to UCLA against Gonzaga, Memphis and Florida (and yet, with Afflalo, Collison and Farmar slumping, they won 2 of those games).

[Andy]

Good to see we've jumped straight into "pop treys and give up offensive boards" mode

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Hey Mizzou fans, don't you love that Mega March Madness commercial with Tyus Edney taking it coast to coast in 1995? :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hey Mizzou fans, don't you love that Mega March Madness commercial with Tyus Edney taking it coast to coast in 1995? :D

 

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[Andy]

The "ND in the BE tourney" jinx strikes again - Irish playing like crap.

 

All-ugly team nominee: Luke Harangody

 

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