College Football - Week of 9/16

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I can't argue too much with the AP poll. I'd drop Texas a few spots, but other than that it looks about right.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Mizzou up to 22 votes! #32 in the nation, woot!

 

7 votes in the coaches poll for #35, behind the likes of MSU, Georgia Tech, and.....Texas A&M? :?

 

Link to both polls

 

UCLA at 28 and 29. :)

[imb]

probably the worst officiating i've ever seen in my life. Was the replay guy a nike executive or what?

 

Seriously, you cannot blow two obvious calls back to back like that without there being some speculation, those calls weren't even close.

[CuseCubFan69]

I can't argue too much with the AP poll. I'd drop Texas a few spots, but other than that it looks about right.

 

I agree, if Texas didn't lose by about the same score as Cinci I'd have them up there but they did and I see no reason why they are ahead of some of the undefeated teams like Louisville or VTech.

 

I love seeing the ex Big East/now Super conference team Miami get crushed by Louisville. I think Louisville was very underrated especially after what they did last year.

 

Ohio State

West Virginia (they beat the SEC champ last year and everyone is back)

Auburn

Michigan

USC

Louisville

Florida

VTech

Oregon

Georgia

[Transmogrified Tiger]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

[CuseCubFan69]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

 

That's why I wrote they have everyone back plus the good recruiting they had last off season. SEC Champ (Which was Georgia not Auburn) has to beat them first before I put them ahead.

[CuseCubFan69]

probably the worst officiating i've ever seen in my life. Was the replay guy a nike executive or what?

 

Seriously, you cannot blow two obvious calls back to back like that without there being some speculation, those calls weren't even close.

 

This happens in way too many games IMO. The replay is there to help make the right call not have the guy in the booth be afraid to prove one of his buddies wrong.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

 

That's why I wrote they have everyone back plus the good recruiting they had last off season. SEC Champ (Which was Georgia not Auburn) has to beat them first before I put them ahead.

 

That's some interesting logic.

[CuseCubFan69]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

 

That's why I wrote they have everyone back plus the good recruiting they had last off season. SEC Champ (Which was Georgia not Auburn) has to beat them first before I put them ahead.

 

That's some interesting logic.

 

Why do you say that? WV beat the SEC champ last year and has eveyone coming back. Auburn lost some key players and yet somehow they are now better than WV?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

 

That's why I wrote they have everyone back plus the good recruiting they had last off season. SEC Champ (Which was Georgia not Auburn) has to beat them first before I put them ahead.

 

That's some interesting logic.

 

Why do you say that? WV beat the SEC champ last year and has eveyone coming back. Auburn lost some key players and yet somehow they are now better than WV?

 

Auburn already beat a top 10 team this year. Last year's results should have no bearing. And even if they did, Auburn beat Georgia last year too and have proven themselves capable this year by beating LSU.

[CuseCubFan69]

WVU has looked really good, but I don't see how you can put them in front of Auburn.

 

That's why I wrote they have everyone back plus the good recruiting they had last off season. SEC Champ (Which was Georgia not Auburn) has to beat them first before I put them ahead.

 

That's some interesting logic.

 

Why do you say that? WV beat the SEC champ last year and has eveyone coming back. Auburn lost some key players and yet somehow they are now better than WV?

 

Auburn already beat a top 10 team this year. Last year's results should have no bearing. And even if they did, Auburn beat Georgia last year too and have proven themselves capable this year by beating LSU.

 

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

And....you mention they beat LSU....who did Auburn beat out of conference to earn this praise? It's like the Big 12 beating no one and then they play each other while being undefeated. I understand WV has a weak schedule but Auburn may play 3 to 5 teams that have a chance to finish over 500.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

And....you mention they beat LSU....who did Auburn beat out of conference to earn this praise? It's like the Big 12 beating no one and then they play each other while being undefeated. I understand WV has a weak schedule but Auburn may play 3 to 5 teams that have a chance to finish over 500.

 

I'm not understanding your point. Auburn will probably have to play 3 top 10 teams this year with LSU, Florida, and Georgia, and probably a 4th in the SEC Title game if they make it there. What conference can say that? Comparatively, WVU's schedule has one team that you could say is a lock for a bowl(Louisville), it's going to be significantly weaker than Auburn's.

Edited September 17, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger

[CuseCubFan69]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

[CuseCubFan69]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

I understand your point and I agree that since Auburn has beat a Top 10 they deserve credit but my problem is what if we find out LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team and Auburn stays ahead of WV because of that early win?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

I understand your point and I agree that since Auburn has beat a Top 10 they deserve credit but my problem is what if we find out LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team and Auburn stays ahead of WV because of that early win?

 

LSU would still be better than Maryland, Eastern Michigan and Marshall.

[CuseCubFan69]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

I understand your point and I agree that since Auburn has beat a Top 10 they deserve credit but my problem is what if we find out LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team and Auburn stays ahead of WV because of that early win?

 

LSU would still be better than Maryland, Eastern Michigan and Marshall.

 

Are those teams better than Wash St., Buffalo, and Tulane? I say yes. Add to that Maryland is a rivalry game.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

I understand your point and I agree that since Auburn has beat a Top 10 they deserve credit but my problem is what if we find out LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team and Auburn stays ahead of WV because of that early win?

 

LSU would still be better than Maryland, Eastern Michigan and Marshall.

 

Are those teams better than Wash St., Buffalo, and Tulane? I say yes. Add to that Maryland is a rivalry game.

 

They haven't played Buffalo or Tulane yet. There's no point in ranking a team based on their future schedule (but if we did, Auburn would win in a landslide).

 

What we have so far is:

 

Maryland, Eastern Michigan, Marshall

 

vs.

 

Washington State, Mississippi State, Louisiana State.

 

WVU has no argument in a SOS debate with Auburn. It's not even close. Auburn deserves to be #2, WVU can argue with USC about #3.

[CuseCubFan69]

So if a team has everyone coming back it has no bearing on the next year? I agree with that to a point but when you have the talent they do coming back I see no reason to assume otherwise.

 

Preseason rankings I can see, but it's 3 weeks into the season now. No team returned their full roster, so looking at the previous year when we have almost a month of performance this year is pretty faulty IMO.

 

It would be if the team didn't live up to the expectation but they (WV) have. If they were an ACC or SEC team I know I wouldn't even be having this debate with you. It would be assumed that they belong and since they are a BE team they have to earn it, which they have IMO.

 

I'm not saying WVU belongs out of the top 10, only that Auburn deserves to be ranked in front of them right now. If WVU had beaten a top 10 team last week while Auburn crushed a middling foe, I'd argue the other way around. Conference has nothing to do with it.

 

I understand your point and I agree that since Auburn has beat a Top 10 they deserve credit but my problem is what if we find out LSU is a 3 or 4 loss team and Auburn stays ahead of WV because of that early win?

 

LSU would still be better than Maryland, Eastern Michigan and Marshall.

 

Are those teams better than Wash St., Buffalo, and Tulane? I say yes. Add to that Maryland is a rivalry game.

 

They haven't played Buffalo or Tulane yet. There's no point in ranking a team based on their future schedule (but if we did, Auburn would win in a landslide).

 

What we have so far is:

 

Maryland, Eastern Michigan, Marshall

 

vs.

 

Washington State, Mississippi State, Louisiana State.

 

WVU has no argument in a SOS debate with Auburn. It's not even close. Auburn deserves to be #2, WVU can argue with USC about #3.

 

No way Auburn wins in a landslide in future schedule and let me add that WV plays Miss St later too.

 

I also forgot that Marshall is a rival game too.

 

I agree that Auburn has a wonderful team but again, but I'll wait until one team that Auburn plays beats a team that isn't in the SEC that is a top 25 team. Alabama is playing Florida International and La-Monroe and LSU is doing the same. How do you measure that Raisin? Why do SEC teams keep getting the benifit of doubt?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No way Auburn wins in a landslide in future schedule and let me add that WV plays Miss St later too.

 

I also forgot that Marshall is a rival game too.

 

I agree that Auburn has a wonderful team but again, but I'll wait until one team that Auburn plays beats a team that isn't in the SEC that is a top 25 team. Alabama is playing Florida International and La-Monroe and LSU is doing the same. How do you measure that Raisin? Why do SEC teams keep getting the benifit of doubt?

 

Auburn's schedule is much better, it's not particularly close. As for your question, Tennessee waxed Cal already. Everyone schedules mostly patsies in the non-con(because most conference schedules are bad enough, especially in the SEC and Big 10), it's not exclusive to any specific conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

No way Auburn wins in a landslide in future schedule and let me add that WV plays Miss St later too.

 

I also forgot that Marshall is a rival game too.

 

I agree that Auburn has a wonderful team but again, but I'll wait until one team that Auburn plays beats a team that isn't in the SEC that is a top 25 team. Alabama is playing Florida International and La-Monroe and LSU is doing the same. How do you measure that Raisin? Why do SEC teams keep getting the benifit of doubt?

 

Auburn's schedule is much better, it's not particularly close. As for your question, Tennessee waxed Cal already. Everyone schedules mostly patsies in the non-con(because most conference schedules are bad enough, especially in the SEC and Big 10), it's not exclusive to any specific conference.

 

Tennessee always plays tough teams and as I look at the schedules I don't see Auburn playing Tennessee this year. People always argue that the SEC or other conferences are so tough that they can't play other top teams and that is the perfect thing they want you to believe. Tennesse plays a tough out of conference schedule and Florida always plays Florida St but the rest of them schedule average to horrible teams at best, how are you measuring how good they are? Well Auburn beat LSU and Alabama. ok....who did LSU or Alabama beat to earn this high praise? They didn't have to beat anyone because the SEC is so tough they don't have to play anyone out of conference? I don't deny that Auburn and LSU are talented but you're asking me to believe they are better because of what conference they are from.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No way Auburn wins in a landslide in future schedule and let me add that WV plays Miss St later too.

 

I also forgot that Marshall is a rival game too.

 

I agree that Auburn has a wonderful team but again, but I'll wait until one team that Auburn plays beats a team that isn't in the SEC that is a top 25 team. Alabama is playing Florida International and La-Monroe and LSU is doing the same. How do you measure that Raisin? Why do SEC teams keep getting the benifit of doubt?

 

Auburn's schedule is much better, it's not particularly close. As for your question, Tennessee waxed Cal already. Everyone schedules mostly patsies in the non-con(because most conference schedules are bad enough, especially in the SEC and Big 10), it's not exclusive to any specific conference.

 

Tennessee always plays tough teams and as I look at the schedules I don't see Auburn playing Tennessee this year. People always argue that the SEC or other conferences are so tough that they can't play other top teams and that is the perfect thing they want you to believe. Tennesse plays a tough out of conference schedule and Florida always plays Florida St but the rest of them schedule average to horrible teams at best, how are you measuring how good they are? Well Auburn beat LSU and Alabama. ok....who did LSU or Alabama beat to earn this high praise? They didn't have to beat anyone because the SEC is so tough they don't have to play anyone out of conference? I don't deny that Auburn and LSU are talented but you're asking me to believe they are better because of what conference they are from.

 

I don't see how this 3 degrees of schedule separation is more applicable for the SEC than other conferences.

[CuseCubFan69]

No way Auburn wins in a landslide in future schedule and let me add that WV plays Miss St later too.

 

I also forgot that Marshall is a rival game too.

 

I agree that Auburn has a wonderful team but again, but I'll wait until one team that Auburn plays beats a team that isn't in the SEC that is a top 25 team. Alabama is playing Florida International and La-Monroe and LSU is doing the same. How do you measure that Raisin? Why do SEC teams keep getting the benifit of doubt?

 

Auburn's schedule is much better, it's not particularly close. As for your question, Tennessee waxed Cal already. Everyone schedules mostly patsies in the non-con(because most conference schedules are bad enough, especially in the SEC and Big 10), it's not exclusive to any specific conference.

 

Tennessee always plays tough teams and as I look at the schedules I don't see Auburn playing Tennessee this year. People always argue that the SEC or other conferences are so tough that they can't play other top teams and that is the perfect thing they want you to believe. Tennesse plays a tough out of conference schedule and Florida always plays Florida St but the rest of them schedule average to horrible teams at best, how are you measuring how good they are? Well Auburn beat LSU and Alabama. ok....who did LSU or Alabama beat to earn this high praise? They didn't have to beat anyone because the SEC is so tough they don't have to play anyone out of conference? I don't deny that Auburn and LSU are talented but you're asking me to believe they are better because of what conference they are from.

 

I don't see how this 3 degrees of schedule separation is more applicable for the SEC than other conferences.

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

 

The SEC has played Cal, Michigan, USC, Louisville, Mizzou, and Hawaii, with games against West Virginia, Colorado, Florida State, Fresno State, and Georgia Tech later in the season. Really, there is very little difference.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

 

The SEC has played Cal, Michigan, USC, Louisville, Mizzou, and Hawaii, with games against West Virginia, Colorado, Florida State, Fresno State, and Georgia Tech later in the season. Really, there is very little difference.

 

Now, how many of those SEC teams are playing Auburn? Then we'll look at the records of those games and we'll see as the season progresses.

 

I don't like the SOS because that again helps the SEC. Their teams are ranked high to begin with and have to fail while BE teams like Louisville have to prove they belong and are behind the whole time. Why, Auburn plays LSU and beats them. LSU has one loss now and wins out in the SEC and is a game behind Auburn making their win look even that much better. Both teams, yet again, have beat no one out of conference just like WV. If WV beats Loiusville do they get the same respect and hop above Auburn? No they won't if both are undefeated even if Louisville is undefeated when they play WV. The system won't allow that to happen and it's the same stuff Penn State had to put up with with all their undefeated teams. I'll believe the SEC is better when either Auburn beats WV, middle of the pack SEC team beats a top Conference teams or the middle or bottom/middle teams in the SEC beat up on most of another conferences middle/bottom. Then the SEC will prove they are the top conference. yes, this goes for all conferences not just the SEC but the SEC seems to get cart blanche from the get go and as I said earlier has to be proven to be bad.