Paul Sullivan's rehaul of the Chicago Cubs

[dew1679666265]

I'm actually in the Cameron camp, but I'm not sure he'll take a one year deal. Who would you like to see?

 

I would like Andruw Jones, but since he's probably a pipe dream, I'd take Cameron. Otherwise, give Pierre arby or just go with Pie. My only real problem with Pie next year is that I'm not sure he'll be ready and it'd be difficult to fill the roster appropriately around him, unless we platooned Murton and Jones.

 

EDIT: Of course if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, we may have some inside track on getting Andruw should he become available.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

PLAY PIE

 

I could dig that. Just curious TT, let's say Pie is slotted to play CF for us next year. How would you fill in the rest of the lineup and where would you bat him?

 

Under the assumption that Izturis isn't going anywhere, and that it's unlikely we'll be able to trade/Hendry will want to trade Jones, I'd hit Pie 7th. Have 2B and LF occupy the top 2 spots in the order, and get a platoon partner for Jones. Maybe Durham, Murton, and Restovich; maybe Loretta, Catalanotto, and Murton, there are obviously a bunch of ways you could go about it. It's not going to be a great offense, but given the above assumptions building a great offense would be nigh impossible, and you have the money to go after a top flight starter in free agency or trade.

[RockTheIvy]

PLAY PIE

 

I could dig that. Just curious TT, let's say Pie is slotted to play CF for us next year. How would you fill in the rest of the lineup and where would you bat him?

 

Under the assumption that Izturis isn't going anywhere, and that it's unlikely we'll be able to trade/Hendry will want to trade Jones, I'd hit Pie 7th. Have 2B and LF occupy the top 2 spots in the order, and get a platoon partner for Jones. Maybe Durham, Murton, and Restovich; maybe Loretta, Catalanotto, and Murton, there are obviously a bunch of ways you could go about it. It's not going to be a great offense, but given the above assumptions building a great offense would be nigh impossible.

 

That would be an improvement. I suppose it really depends on the manager. If we have someone who will stick to the platoon, like, say Dierker, then that lineup could probably compete.

 

Of course without Ramirez, we'd be SOL.

[RockTheIvy]

I'm actually in the Cameron camp, but I'm not sure he'll take a one year deal. Who would you like to see?

 

I would like Andruw Jones, but since he's probably a pipe dream, I'd take Cameron. Otherwise, give Pierre arby or just go with Pie. My only real problem with Pie next year is that I'm not sure he'll be ready and it'd be difficult to fill the roster appropriately around him, unless we platooned Murton and Jones.

 

EDIT: Of course if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, we may have some inside track on getting Andruw should he become available.

 

Any idea what Pierre might get in arbitration? I don't know all of the methods by which they judge a player's worth, but his last two seasons have been pretty subpar.

[dew1679666265]

PLAY PIE

 

I could dig that. Just curious TT, let's say Pie is slotted to play CF for us next year. How would you fill in the rest of the lineup and where would you bat him?

 

Under the assumption that Izturis isn't going anywhere, and that it's unlikely we'll be able to trade/Hendry will want to trade Jones, I'd hit Pie 7th. Have 2B and LF occupy the top 2 spots in the order, and get a platoon partner for Jones. Maybe Durham, Murton, and Restovich; maybe Loretta, Catalanotto, and Murton, there are obviously a bunch of ways you could go about it. It's not going to be a great offense, but given the above assumptions building a great offense would be nigh impossible, and you have the money to go after a top flight starter in free agency or trade.

 

Just curious, what would you think of a Murton/Pie/Jones platoon? Basically, Pie gets most of the time in LF, Jones gets most in RF, Murton is in RF against lefties, LF to spell Pie in some way. Then we get Andruw and Durham, say, and have a pretty solid lineup.

Disclaimer: If this is dumb, I apologize, it just came to me and I haven't thought about it much.

[dew1679666265]

I'm actually in the Cameron camp, but I'm not sure he'll take a one year deal. Who would you like to see?

 

I would like Andruw Jones, but since he's probably a pipe dream, I'd take Cameron. Otherwise, give Pierre arby or just go with Pie. My only real problem with Pie next year is that I'm not sure he'll be ready and it'd be difficult to fill the roster appropriately around him, unless we platooned Murton and Jones.

 

EDIT: Of course if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, we may have some inside track on getting Andruw should he become available.

 

Any idea what Pierre might get in arbitration? I don't know all of the methods by which they judge a player's worth, but his last two seasons have been pretty subpar.

 

Probably no more than $7-8m, I wouldn't think. I don't think he'd take arby, thus we'd get 1-2 draft picks in compensation and move on, but if he did it would be difficult to justify more than that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

PLAY PIE

 

I could dig that. Just curious TT, let's say Pie is slotted to play CF for us next year. How would you fill in the rest of the lineup and where would you bat him?

 

Under the assumption that Izturis isn't going anywhere, and that it's unlikely we'll be able to trade/Hendry will want to trade Jones, I'd hit Pie 7th. Have 2B and LF occupy the top 2 spots in the order, and get a platoon partner for Jones. Maybe Durham, Murton, and Restovich; maybe Loretta, Catalanotto, and Murton, there are obviously a bunch of ways you could go about it. It's not going to be a great offense, but given the above assumptions building a great offense would be nigh impossible, and you have the money to go after a top flight starter in free agency or trade.

 

Just curious, what would you think of a Murton/Pie/Jones platoon? Basically, Pie gets most of the time in LF, Jones gets most in RF, Murton is in RF against lefties, LF to spell Pie in some way. Then we get Andruw and Durham, say, and have a pretty solid lineup.

Disclaimer: If this is dumb, I apologize, it just came to me and I haven't thought about it much.

 

I don't like the idea all that much. I'd rather Pie stay in CF, and his bat isn't going to be so good that we need to move him off there to get him time(Murton will probably be more productive next year, and Pie wouldn't be damaged by starting the year in AAA). Plus, it's easier to find a player with high production in LF/RF even though you gave the specific example of Andruw.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

[dew1679666265]

PLAY PIE

 

I could dig that. Just curious TT, let's say Pie is slotted to play CF for us next year. How would you fill in the rest of the lineup and where would you bat him?

 

Under the assumption that Izturis isn't going anywhere, and that it's unlikely we'll be able to trade/Hendry will want to trade Jones, I'd hit Pie 7th. Have 2B and LF occupy the top 2 spots in the order, and get a platoon partner for Jones. Maybe Durham, Murton, and Restovich; maybe Loretta, Catalanotto, and Murton, there are obviously a bunch of ways you could go about it. It's not going to be a great offense, but given the above assumptions building a great offense would be nigh impossible, and you have the money to go after a top flight starter in free agency or trade.

 

Just curious, what would you think of a Murton/Pie/Jones platoon? Basically, Pie gets most of the time in LF, Jones gets most in RF, Murton is in RF against lefties, LF to spell Pie in some way. Then we get Andruw and Durham, say, and have a pretty solid lineup.

Disclaimer: If this is dumb, I apologize, it just came to me and I haven't thought about it much.

 

I don't like the idea all that much. I'd rather Pie stay in CF, and his bat isn't going to be so good that we need to move him off there to get him time(Murton will probably be more productive next year, and Pie wouldn't be damaged by starting the year in AAA). Plus, it's easier to find a player with high production in LF/RF even though you gave the specific example of Andruw.

 

Ok, I was trying to figure out how to get playing time for both Murton and Pie while still adding someone to the outfield (over and above a platoon partner for Jacque). I guess my preference would be Murton, CF (Andruw hopefully), Jones + platoon partner and start Pie in AAA. Then pick up Durham/Giles/Loretta for second and have a solid lineup.

[dew1679666265]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

Exactly, and I think 12m is way too high for what Pierre will get. I'd guess $7-8m tops unless he really gets hot to finish the year and gets his OBP over .350, which I doubt.

[RockTheIvy]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

[RockTheIvy]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

[RockTheIvy]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

But, honestly, the Cubs are atrocious this season, a complete joke. EVERYONE can see this. There's no way that Hendry can be blind to this right? He knows how much the players are making, he can't really be satisfied with this, and think that a few more relievers are gonna do the job? Right?

[dew1679666265]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

I like that lineup but I don't have faith in Hendry he could pull off a trade for Andruw.

[RockTheIvy]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

 

That's a great lineup. But it is dependent on so many things happening in the right way. I pray it goes that way. But what if

 

a) Ramirez walks

b) Cedeno is our 2B

c) Jones was signed to play everyday

d) Sweet Lou is on our bench

 

Stranger things have happened. It is all a matter of which Jim shows up. Independent Jim or ManagerBish Jim. Independent Jim, the Jim that dumped Hundley, got us Lofton, Ramirez, Lee and Nomar. Or if we get Neifi! Macias, Enr!que, DJackson, THubbs, Jim.

[dew1679666265]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

I like that lineup but I don't have faith in Hendry he could pull off a trade for Andruw.

 

If Andruw's available, we've got one of the better chances if Hendry tries. He's got a good relationship with Schuerholz and is trying to model us after the Braves. Also, if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, Andruw might want to play for him if he's traded.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

I like that lineup but I don't have faith in Hendry he could pull off a trade for Andruw.

 

If Andruw's available, we've got one of the better chances if Hendry tries. He's got a good relationship with Schuerholz and is trying to model us after the Braves. Also, if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, Andruw might want to play for him if he's traded.

Let's just say hypothetically speaking we can get those players, I think our offense would be good but we still have to worry about our SP. If Rich Hill can stay this good and of course we have Z then meants we have 2 pitchers at best we can count on, and that is if Hill can stay this good.

[RockTheIvy]

I suppose we might as well hope that the team plays way over its head next year. That might give us a shot.

[dew1679666265]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

 

That's a great lineup. But it is dependent on so many things happening in the right way. I pray it goes that way. But what if

 

a) Ramirez walks

b) Cedeno is our 2B

c) Jones was signed to play everyday

d) Sweet Lou is on our bench

 

Stranger things have happened. It is all a matter of which Jim shows up. Independent Jim or ManagerBish Jim. Independent Jim, the Jim that dumped Hundley, got us Lofton, Ramirez, Lee and Nomar. Or if we get Neifi! Macias, Enr!que, DJackson, THubbs, Jim.

 

a) Ramirez walks, we rebuild. Simple as that.

b) I really doubt it. Cedeno is likely going to assume the Neifi role or be traded. I doubt Hendry likes him enough to forgive this gosh awful season that easily.

c) Still with that lineup, a platoon is not necessary just helpful. Simply moving Jones down the lineup against lefties would help.

d) That could prove to be a problem if Sweet Lou is really like Dusty, but I suspect Hendry really likes Fredi, considering he was on Hendry's list when we got Baker.

 

So yes, there are quite a few ifs, but it's not out of the realm of possibilites that we field a solid team next year. I doubt my ideal lineup is exact but I wouldn't be surprised to see Hendry pursue something similar.

[bhogg]

we need an 89/98/01 kind of year. . . . the kind where we're ass ugly on paper but somehow defy all laws of baseball and win enough to get into the post season.

 

that's about our only hope at this point.

[RockTheIvy]

We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

 

That's a great lineup. But it is dependent on so many things happening in the right way. I pray it goes that way. But what if

 

a) Ramirez walks

b) Cedeno is our 2B

c) Jones was signed to play everyday

d) Sweet Lou is on our bench

 

Stranger things have happened. It is all a matter of which Jim shows up. Independent Jim or ManagerBish Jim. Independent Jim, the Jim that dumped Hundley, got us Lofton, Ramirez, Lee and Nomar. Or if we get Neifi! Macias, Enr!que, DJackson, THubbs, Jim.

 

a) Ramirez walks, we rebuild. Simple as that.

b) I really doubt it. Cedeno is likely going to assume the Neifi role or be traded. I doubt Hendry likes him enough to forgive this gosh awful season that easily.

c) Still with that lineup, a platoon is not necessary just helpful. Simply moving Jones down the lineup against lefties would help.

d) That could prove to be a problem if Sweet Lou is really like Dusty, but I suspect Hendry really likes Fredi, considering he was on Hendry's list when we got Baker.

 

So yes, there are quite a few ifs, but it's not out of the realm of possibilites that we field a solid team next year. I doubt my ideal lineup is exact but I wouldn't be surprised to see Hendry pursue something similar.

 

Okay, you calmed me down pretty good. I hope Hendry gets a manager sans ego. No Chevy commercials or nothing. Just someone who does their job, like Francona in Boston (before the title). I really think a Baker is to blame for many of the acquisitions. I know, I know, that means Rick Morrissey thinks I'm a racist. But otherwise, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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We would be stupid to sign Pierre to a multi-year deal. Arbitration is the way to go, even if he will make 12mil per for that one year, that would be ok and if not, hey we get draft picks.

 

If we pay Juan Pierre 12 million next year, I, I...I dont know what I'll do. But it'd be especially cool if we sign Juan Pierre for 12 million, then lose Aram, to be replaced with Rich Aurillia.

 

Juan

Izturis

Lee

Aurillia

Jones

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

300 runs scored in '07. Catch the excitement.

If we lose ARam we are done for, no matter what.

 

So, we might as well overpay for ARam right? At least we'll be getting good production from a player in his prime?

 

Man, I love the offseason, but next year looks so damn bleak. Hendry better have some trades in between the fat.

Hendry has def laid an egg on this one, but we all knew this was expected with that fool. I think it's to the point where we might not have no choice but to slightly overpay. WHo knows what ARam and his agent are thinking. One way or another I don't see how we would make the playoffs next year.

 

I disagree, we certainly shouldn't be favorites, but I think we could put together a contending ballclub. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, add Andruw and Durham, play Murton in LF, and get a platoon guy in RF for Jacque, and our offense is much improved.

 

Durham

Murton

Lee

Andruw

Aramis

Jones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Add Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi at manager, and maybe a semi cheap veteran starter and we're a pretty solid team. Not favorites for the playoffs and certainly not where we should be, but we can build a contender by next season.

I like that lineup but I don't have faith in Hendry he could pull off a trade for Andruw.

 

If Andruw's available, we've got one of the better chances if Hendry tries. He's got a good relationship with Schuerholz and is trying to model us after the Braves. Also, if we hire Fredi Gonzalez, Andruw might want to play for him if he's traded.

Let's just say hypothetically speaking we can get those players, I think our offense would be good but we still have to worry about our SP. If Rich Hill can stay this good and of course we have Z then meants we have 2 pitchers at best we can count on, and that is if Hill can stay this good.

 

The pitching would be a question but I think we'd have more than two. I like what Hill's shown the past few starts, and I think he'll be solid for us next year. Also Marshall has been pretty good this year and should improve next year. I'd be ok with this rotation:

 

Z

veteran P

Prior

Marshall

Hill

 

The veteran could be Zito, etc if we have the money, or Mulder or a second tier kind of guy. If Prior's not healthy or ineffective, Guzman and Mateo have been decent this year or we could try for another FA if we have the money. I will agree though, the starting pitching would be a bit of a weakness.