07/19 Houston (Clemens) @ CUBS (Maddux) 7:05 CDT, WGN TV

[UMFan83]

He didn't

[Fred Hornkohl]

Jones struck out swinging

[Fred Hornkohl]

Barrett flied out to left center field

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Walker is so worthless. We should DFA him.

 

Are you related or a family friend to him? I'm ot kidding or being sarcastic. It's an actual question.

 

No. But I do think he is a productive player.

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

It's hard to argue Theriot's chance to start. Neifi on the other hand is another story, but he does have very good numbers against Oswalt that warranted his start yesterday(even though I hate him in there).

 

Neifi has good numbers vs. Oswalt so Neifi starts against him.

Walker has very good numbers against Clemens, but Walker doesn't start against him.

 

My point is if a player with good numbers is benched in favor of the future /possible future then I personally can deal with it. As is the case with the Theriot start.

 

I would have like to have seen Theriot start yesterday and even wrote it in yesterday's thread.

 

I'm not saying that Theriot is the answer, but who knows? And the only way to find out is to play him.

[cheapseats]

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

Arod is injured. That's why he didn't play.

 

No he's not he played in the eight and ninth inning of that game and played the entire game today.

 

No, he was injured. He was expected to miss two or three day, but he's playing through it.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE NINTH INNING

 

Lidge in to pitch for Houston

Jones struck out swinging

Barrett flied out to left center field

Pagan struck out swinging

 

0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Houston         1 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1              4  8  0
CUBS            0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0              2  6  0

 

W: Clemens (2-3)

S: Lidge (22)

L: Maddux (7-11)

 

T: 2:52

A: 40,344

 

Home runs:

Houston: Biggio (9)

CUBS: Walker (5)

 

Houston        IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Clemens       6.0  3  0  0  1  5  0  85
Qualls        1.3  1  1  1  1  1  0  23
Miller        0.3  1  1  1  0  0  1   2
Wheeler       0.3  1  0  0  0  0  0   7
Lidge         1.0  0  0  0  0  2  0  16

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Maddux        7.0  7  3  3  0  3  1 102
Eyre          1.0  0  0  0  1  1  0  25
Howry         1.0  1  1  1  0  1  0  12

Edited July 20, 2006 by Fred Hornkohl

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

Arod is injured. That's why he didn't play.

 

No he's not he played in the eight and ninth inning of that game and played the entire game today.

 

No, he was injured. He was expected to miss two or three day, but he's playing through it.

 

I know about his toe. But, Torre even said and I'm paraphrasing here that the reason that Arod was not starting was due to his three errors and give him a chance to get his head back in it.

 

On "Mike and Mike In the Morning", that is what they were saying about the situation. And Mike Greenberg applauded Torre for not hiding and saying it was injury related.

[mlarner]

Thanks Fred :D

[CP_414]

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

Arod is injured. That's why he didn't play.

 

No he's not he played in the eight and ninth inning of that game and played the entire game today.

 

No, he was injured. He was expected to miss two or three day, but he's playing through it.

 

I know about his toe. But, Torre even said and I'm paraphrasing here that the reason that Arod was not starting was due to his three errors and give him a chance to get his head back in it.

 

On "Mike and Mike In the Morning", that is what they were saying about the situation. And Mike Greenberg applauded Torre for not hiding and saying it was injury related.

 

He may have said that, but I saw a clip of Torre on ESPN News after the X-Rays came up negative saying he wasn't starting A-Rod because he wanted to give him a day for his toe. He then said he might be able to pinch hit (which he did), and that he should be back in the lineup Wednesday.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Thanks Fred :D

 

My pleasure !! :wink:

[cheapseats]

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

Arod is injured. That's why he didn't play.

 

No he's not he played in the eight and ninth inning of that game and played the entire game today.

 

No, he was injured. He was expected to miss two or three day, but he's playing through it.

 

I know about his toe. But, Torre even said and I'm paraphrasing here that the reason that Arod was not starting was due to his three errors and give him a chance to get his head back in it.

 

On "Mike and Mike In the Morning", that is what they were saying about the situation. And Mike Greenberg applauded Torre for not hiding and saying it was injury related.

 

He may have said that, but I saw a clip of Torre on ESPN News after the X-Rays came up negative saying he wasn't starting A-Rod because he wanted to give him a day for his toe. He then said he might be able to pinch hit (which he did), and that he should be back in the lineup Wednesday.

 

Yep, if Torre said anything about Arod not starting because of the errors, no one at the NY Times or the Daily News heard about it. In the NY Times, Torre specifically stated that he was giving Arod a day off for his toe.

 

It really doesn't matter, anyway.

 

It would be stupid for Torre to bench Arod after his errors just as it would be stupid for Baker to bench Walker for the same.

 

Bench a guy who doesn't hustle, but don't bench a guy for misplaying a grounder or bobbling a ball.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

 

I agree. But, he did have a bad game on Sunday and is not immune to a benching after that kind of game. Sort of like Arod not starting yesterday after his 3 error game.

 

Arod is injured. That's why he didn't play.

 

No he's not he played in the eight and ninth inning of that game and played the entire game today.

 

No, he was injured. He was expected to miss two or three day, but he's playing through it.

 

I know about his toe. But, Torre even said and I'm paraphrasing here that the reason that Arod was not starting was due to his three errors and give him a chance to get his head back in it.

 

On "Mike and Mike In the Morning", that is what they were saying about the situation. And Mike Greenberg applauded Torre for not hiding and saying it was injury related.

 

He may have said that, but I saw a clip of Torre on ESPN News after the X-Rays came up negative saying he wasn't starting A-Rod because he wanted to give him a day for his toe. He then said he might be able to pinch hit (which he did), and that he should be back in the lineup Wednesday.

 

Yep, if Torre said anything about Arod not starting because of the errors, no one at the NY Times or the Daily News heard about it. In the NY Times, Torre specifically stated that he was giving Arod a day off for his toe.

 

It really doesn't matter, anyway.

 

It would be stupid for Torre to bench Arod after his errors just as it would be stupid for Baker to bench Walker for the same.

 

Bench a guy who doesn't hustle, but don't bench a guy for misplaying a grounder or bobbling a ball.

 

Althoug I'm not necessarily sure Walker was "benched" due to the errors. Even without those errors, Neifi probably still would have started since his numbers against Oswalt have been very good and Walker has had troubles with Oswalt.

 

Plus, Dusty views Neifi as the defensive wizard.

[Andy]

CUBS are 1-48 when they trail by 1 run or more at the end of 8 innings.

 

Go CUBS !!

For those curious: The 1 win was the 14-inning marathon against STL on 6/2. I'll edit this post when I find the one win when down by 3 after 7.

 

Edit - Otis, you were right, the 1 win when down by 3 or more after 7 came against Florida on 4/24 and the 6-run eighth inning. I confess I didn't pay that much attention since it was also the night of the Bulls' Game 2 :D

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 1-48 when they trail by 1 run or more at the end of 8 innings.

 

Go CUBS !!

For those curious: The 1 win was the 14-inning marathon against STL on 6/2. I'll edit this post when I find the one win when down by 3 after 7.

 

Edit - Otis, you were right, the 1 win when down by 3 or more after 7 came against Florida on 4/24 and the 6-run eighth inning. I confess I didn't pay that much attention since it was also the night of the Bulls' Game 2 :D

 

Correct on both counts.