They can't even lose when you need them to!

[erik316wttn]

Ok, that title sounds bad, but who here wasn't secretly hoping the Cubs would have lost at least 3 of 4 to the Brewers and gone into the break on a down note, pretty much signaling the end for Dusty and his merry band of idiots?

 

Instead, they have to win 3 in a row and look pretty good doing it. Dusty won't be fired over the break, and will probably be here the rest of the year.

 

This team always does the exact opposite of what you want them to do!

[CuseCubFan69]

It's just like the end of the year when they stink and then win 5 out of 6 of their last games and move down 4 draft slots.

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

We were all thinking it...you just said it.

[NCCubFan]

And to make matters worse, Rusch has an excellent start and probably regains his spot in the rotation. :x

[coldsteel]

Dusty has managed like 570 baseball games for the Cubs -- if one 4 game series made any difference, that would be amazingly absurd -- absurd enough to be true, when it comes to the Cubs heh.

[erik316wttn]

Dusty has managed like 570 baseball games for the Cubs -- if one 4 game series made any difference, that would be amazingly absurd -- absurd enough to be true, when it comes to the Cubs heh.

 

Well, with it being publicly known now that Hendry will "evaluate" Baker's standing over the break, a 3-game losing streak would have hurt him a hell of a lot more than a 3-game winning streak. With Baker's most recent performance in the back of his mind, I'd be willing to bet money that he survvies the break.

[halplm]

The scary thing is, this team should be playing better. If They pull together and play well for the rest of the year... they'll still finish 20ish games under .500, but Hendry will be able to take that and do what he wants with it...

 

And, of course, the money will keep rolling in throughout the year...

[imb]

The worst part of it is, you know that Scott G.F. is going to show up with another thread again soon.

[Scott G. F.]

The worst part of it is, you know that Scott G.F. is going to show up with another thread again soon.

 

Ouch dude. I'm just showing a little projection and optimisum. What else do you what?

 

If Dusty Baker gets fired you still have a crap team right? I mean it's not like Phil freaking Nevin turns into Barry Bond because Lou P. is the manager? Or suddenly Am Ram hustles!

 

Personnel change first. Not the coaching. The players are the ones sucking now. Dusty just ...well... is chewing tooth picks I guess.

 

Get some type of playersthat have OBP, cut out the dead wood and move forward.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Scott G. F.

[RynoRules]

The worst part of it is, you know that Scott G.F. is going to show up with another thread again soon.

 

Nice.

[Banedon]

If Dusty Baker gets fired you still have a crap team right? I mean it's not like Phil freaking Nevin turns into Barry Bond because Lou P. is the manager? Or suddenly Am Ram hustles!

 

This is such a bogus argument.

 

First off, Lou P. as a manager would be the same as Dusty, so lets pretend he's not a candidate, because it would make me cry.

 

Second, no one's saying that a manager is going to make Phil Nevin into Barry Bonds, that's just hyperbole. But a new manager can make smart decisions about lineups, in game strategy, bullpen usage, and who to actually put into the game. They can play the younger players in order to see what we have going into next season, and can stop making excuses for a horrible team.

[Scott G. F.]

If Dusty Baker gets fired you still have a crap team right? I mean it's not like Phil freaking Nevin turns into Barry Bond because Lou P. is the manager? Or suddenly Am Ram hustles!

 

This is such a bogus argument.

 

First off, Lou P. as a manager would be the same as Dusty, so lets pretend he's not a candidate, because it would make me cry.

 

Second, no one's saying that a manager is going to make Phil Nevin into Barry Bonds, that's just hyperbole. But a new manager can make smart decisions about lineups, in game strategy, bullpen usage, and who to actually put into the game. They can play the younger players in order to see what we have going into next season, and can stop making excuses for a horrible team.

 

 

Sorry but this season is on Jim Hendry's shoulders. I give you last year might have been on Dusty's but this year Hendry relied on to few reliable players. You know the MO of Hendry and Dusty. Veterans Veterans and more veterans. At least for 2 more years.

 

Sorry but that's reality.

[Banedon]

Sorry but this season is on Jim Hendry's shoulders. I give you last year might have been on Dusty's but this year Hendry relied on to few reliable players. You know the MO of Hendry and Dusty. Veterans Veterans and more veterans. At least for 2 more years.

 

Sorry but that's reality.

 

Hey, I'm not absolving Hendry here, but a good manager should've been playing .500 ball with this team. I firmly believe that.

[YearofDaCubs]

Sorry but this season is on Jim Hendry's shoulders. I give you last year might have been on Dusty's but this year Hendry relied on to few reliable players. You know the MO of Hendry and Dusty. Veterans Veterans and more veterans. At least for 2 more years.

 

Sorry but that's reality.

 

Hey, I'm not absolving Hendry here, but a good manager should've been playing .500 ball with this team. I firmly believe that.

Although I lay most blame on Hendry for this year, Hendry has been quoted as saying he asks Baker for what players he would like to get and makes then he makes the final decision on that. Bottom line, both Hendry and Baker are crap.

[Allroy]

You guys can argue about it all you want, but you all know that this team has way too much talent to be this far under .500, even with the injuries. Its not just the losing, its the way they are losing. There has been so many fundemental mishaps its not even funny. Missed signs, baserunning errors, and substitutions that are beyond anyone that knows anything about baseball. I'll agree that we don't have the pieces in place to make a pennant run and that falls right on Hendry, but we're stuck with that pear shaped loser. Put that aside, its obvious that Dusty has lost this team. Look at his performance the last 3 years, he has to go. I don't know how anyone can defend Dusty, I'm sick of hearing all these idiots on TV. He's been around so long, they all feel sorry for him. Its crap. If we all performed that horribly at our jobs, regardless of the situation, we would get canned. It happens all the time. God I hope this little hot streak doesn't keep Dusty from being able to fish the rest of the year.

[YearofDaCubs]

You guys can argue about it all you want, but you all know that this team has way too much talent to be this far under .500, even with the injuries. Its not just the losing, its the way they are losing. There has been so many fundemental mishaps its not even funny. Missed signs, baserunning errors, and substitutions that are beyond anyone that knows anything about baseball. I'll agree that we don't have the pieces in place to make a pennant run and that falls right on Hendry, but we're stuck with that pear shaped loser. Put that aside, its obvious that Dusty has lost this team. Look at his performance the last 3 years, he has to go. I don't know how anyone can defend Dusty, I'm sick of hearing all these idiots on TV. He's been around so long, they all feel sorry for him. Its crap. If we all performed that horribly at our jobs, regardless of the situation, we would get canned. It happens all the time. God I hope this little hot streak doesn't keep Dusty from being able to fish the rest of the year.

Totally agree w/ you.

[erik316wttn]

You guys can argue about it all you want, but you all know that this team has way too much talent to be this far under .500, even with the injuries. Its not just the losing, its the way they are losing. There has been so many fundemental mishaps its not even funny. Missed signs, baserunning errors, and substitutions that are beyond anyone that knows anything about baseball. I'll agree that we don't have the pieces in place to make a pennant run and that falls right on Hendry, but we're stuck with that pear shaped loser. Put that aside, its obvious that Dusty has lost this team. Look at his performance the last 3 years, he has to go. I don't know how anyone can defend Dusty, I'm sick of hearing all these idiots on TV. He's been around so long, they all feel sorry for him. Its crap. If we all performed that horribly at our jobs, regardless of the situation, we would get canned. It happens all the time. God I hope this little hot streak doesn't keep Dusty from being able to fish the rest of the year.

 

I could not have said it any better. Bravo, good sir.

[Elrhino]

Ok, that title sounds bad, but who here wasn't secretly hoping the Cubs would have lost at least 3 of 4 to the Brewers and gone into the break on a down note, pretty much signaling the end for Dusty and his merry band of idiots?

 

Firing Dusty isn't going to improve anything. He's just going to be replaced by a retread "baseball man" like Jimmy Williams. Our minor league system is still atrocious when it comes to developing position players. Hendry is going to be given every opportunity to fulfill his 3 years from MacPhail. While I do think the team has the potential to be better, once Prior and Wood are taken out of the equation I don't think this is a base of talent for a contender. Its a very poorly put together ballclub, with not a lot of young talent coming on the way through the system.

 

The only saving grace I can see for this franchise is new ownership. And I don't mean that as a cliched bash the Tribune, because I think for the past 4-5 years they provided the current brass the tools and payroll necessary to put a winner on the field. But they are almost too hands off and give MacPhail carte blanche. I know Mark Cuban is a pipe dream, but that is the type of ownership that the Cubs need. An owner who is involved in the the day to day operations and is every bit as much invested in winning as the profitability of the franchise.

[Scott G. F.]

Irregardless I'm happy the Cubs won and looked pretty good doing it.

I cannot and will not accept hoping the Cubs lose so someone can lose their job. I have yet to hear of a viable replacement that will do anything with the team on the field. The first thing is get the horses to do the basic job on the field. Dusty Baker fills out the line-up card and makes double swtiches and chews tooth picks, but since when has that cost the game? Yes you can argue the Neifi batting second until your fingers bleed, but who cares if we had a better option Neifi wouldn't see but a few inning here and there.

 

I'm for the Cubs winning not Dusty's and Hendry's team losing. I didn't hear this crap in 2003 when Hendry and Dusty could do no wrong!!

 

Instant gradification doesn't work in baseball. Firing Dusty doesn't solve the problem on bit. Hoping the Cubs lose goes agaisnt everything I became a Cub fan for.

[Banedon]

I'm for the Cubs winning not Dusty's and Hendry's team losing. I didn't hear this crap in 2003 when Hendry and Dusty could do no wrong!!

 

You didn't hear complaints about Dusty in '03?? Wow. A little something about overusing pitchers maybe?

[Chris]

I'm for the Cubs winning not Dusty's and Hendry's team losing. I didn't hear this crap in 2003 when Hendry and Dusty could do no wrong!!

 

You didn't hear complaints about Dusty in '03?? Wow. A little something about overusing pitchers maybe?

 

I was a member of that club.

[Scott G. F.]

I'm for the Cubs winning not Dusty's and Hendry's team losing. I didn't hear this crap in 2003 when Hendry and Dusty could do no wrong!!

 

You didn't hear complaints about Dusty in '03?? Wow. A little something about overusing pitchers maybe?

 

Actually it followed him from the Giants. Dusty has his faults like all managers do, see Grady Little. But the decline in talent and the players not producing on the field isn't all his fault and will not imporve once Dusty is canned.

 

Geez people act like he's trying to lose games and hurt people for crips sake.To what end?

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm for the Cubs winning not Dusty's and Hendry's team losing. I didn't hear this crap in 2003 when Hendry and Dusty could do no wrong!!

 

You didn't hear complaints about Dusty in '03?? Wow. A little something about overusing pitchers maybe?

 

Actually it followed him from the Giants. Dusty has his faults like all managers do, see Grady Little. But the decline in talent and the players not producing on the field isn't all his fault and will not imporve once Dusty is canned.

 

Geez people act like he's trying to lose games and hurt people for crips sake.To what end?

He has lost games and he has hurt people, maybe unintentionally but damage has been done by that fool.

[Banedon]

Geez people act like he's trying to lose games and hurt people for crips sake.To what end?

 

Intent is immaterial. Results are what matter to me, and he hasn't provided them. Maybe we just have different expectations.

[erik316wttn]

The Cubs have gotten worse every year since 2003. He lost control of the clubhouse at the end of '04. Players are starting to speak out in the media about his favoritism for "his boys".

 

This team is the worst fundimentally I think I've ever seen. You know it's sad when you can go down to a local park and see a bunch of 8 year olds who are more fundimentally sound than a major-league team.

 

Dusty wants to be "one of the boys" and therefore does not make the difficult decisions. He does not punish poor play, and therefore allows it to continue.

 

Dusty needs to go. Yes, we'd probably be bad with or without him, but we'd be nowhere near as bad without him.