"Franchise Players"

[Caryatid]

I was posting in another thread regarding whether Matt Murton's lack of power would prevent him from becoming a franchise player (if, obviously, his other numbers were big). But the conversation segued into Boggs and Gwynn-and I think it could be an interesting question.

 

Would Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn, and (to a lesser extent) Rod Carew be considered franchise players today? I've been looking at their numbers, and while they're great, I just don't know if they would be considered terrific complementary players or franchise players.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Ichiro.

[treebird]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

[rocket]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

[Caryatid]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

 

I think he wrote something along the lines of "not a franchise player" because he was an OBP guy, not a run producer, but I can't remember fully. I guess that just begs the question of whether or not HRs/SLG are needed for a guy to be considered a franchise player. Ichiro doesn't really have them, but I would argue that Ichiro brings more to the table than did Boggs or Gwynn.

[treebird]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

 

I think he wrote something along the lines of "not a franchise player" because he was an OBP guy, not a run producer, but I can't remember fully. I guess that just begs the question of whether or not HRs/SLG are needed for a guy to be considered a franchise player. Ichiro doesn't really have them, but I would argue that Ichiro brings more to the table than did Boggs or Gwynn.

 

ichiro might bring more different things to the table, but when it comes to the main course, boggs was showing up with filet mignon and ichiro's got a sirloin.

[JC]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

 

I think he wrote something along the lines of "not a franchise player" because he was an OBP guy, not a run producer, but I can't remember fully. I guess that just begs the question of whether or not HRs/SLG are needed for a guy to be considered a franchise player. Ichiro doesn't really have them, but I would argue that Ichiro brings more to the table than did Boggs or Gwynn.

 

ichiro might bring more different things to the table, but when it comes to the main course, boggs was showing up with filet mignon and ichiro's got a sirloin.

 

"These are a few of my more different things..."

[Caryatid]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

 

I think he wrote something along the lines of "not a franchise player" because he was an OBP guy, not a run producer, but I can't remember fully. I guess that just begs the question of whether or not HRs/SLG are needed for a guy to be considered a franchise player. Ichiro doesn't really have them, but I would argue that Ichiro brings more to the table than did Boggs or Gwynn.

 

ichiro might bring more different things to the table, but when it comes to the main course, boggs was showing up with filet mignon and ichiro's got a sirloin.

 

I always thought Boggs was a chicken kinda guy...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

if you throw up a 476 obp like boggs did in 1988, you'll be called whatever you like.

 

didn't bill simmons write an article once basically saying he thought wade boggs wasn't that great because he walked all the time?

 

I think he wrote something along the lines of "not a franchise player" because he was an OBP guy, not a run producer, but I can't remember fully. I guess that just begs the question of whether or not HRs/SLG are needed for a guy to be considered a franchise player. Ichiro doesn't really have them, but I would argue that Ichiro brings more to the table than did Boggs or Gwynn.

 

ichiro might bring more different things to the table, but when it comes to the main course, boggs was showing up with filet mignon and ichiro's got a sirloin.

 

I always thought Boggs was a chicken kinda guy...

 

Margo Adams agrees that Boggs is all beef.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Believes it or nots, the Cubs do have a franchise player. His name is Nefti Perez. Or was it Glendon Rusch?

 

 

(runs and hide)

[larhur]

I'am not sure Murton has a lack of power, right now he has a lack of hitting. when is the last time he has even hit the outfield wall, I believe his bat is so quick that he is hitting the top part of everyball and grounding a single or hitting into double plays.

I am sure that he and the coaches realize it and are working on a solution.

Murtons body build reminds me of Keith Moreland, who could hit a homerun or two

[TMan92]

I am sure that he and the coaches realize it and are working on a solution.

 

Thanks for causing me to laugh so hard that my drink came through my nose.

[Soul]

I am sure that he and the coaches realize it and are working on a solution.

 

Thanks for causing me to laugh so hard that my drink came through my nose.

 

LMAO. Ditto.

 

larhur, you were joking.......right?

[Guest]

I could make an argument that for the three years from '85 - '87 Tim Raines was the best player in the NL. Would that make him a "Franchise Player"?

[RynoRules]

I could make an argument that for the three years from '85 - '87 Tim Raines was the best player in the NL. Would that make him a "Franchise Player"?

 

Perception is reality. I remember that run of greatness that Rock had, and he seemed like a Franchise guy back then. However, with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, we know that he was not. Its a tough call.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I could make an argument that for the three years from '85 - '87 Tim Raines was the best player in the NL. Would that make him a "Franchise Player"?

 

I see your Tim Raines and raise you Darryl Strawberry. :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I could make an argument that for the three years from '85 - '87 Tim Raines was the best player in the NL. Would that make him a "Franchise Player"?

 

I see your Tim Raines and raise you Darryl Strawberry. :D

 

I see your Darryl Strawberry and raise you a Eric Davis.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I could make an argument that for the three years from '85 - '87 Tim Raines was the best player in the NL. Would that make him a "Franchise Player"?

 

I see your Tim Raines and raise you Darryl Strawberry. :D

 

I see your Darryl Strawberry and raise you a Eric Davis.

 

Davis's .287 OBP in '85 sure is awe inspiring. :o

[bhogg]

has anyone mentioned that Tim Raines has an excellent case for HoF induction?

 

 

As for him being a franchise player, I always thought he was the Expo franchise after Dawson left.