Update on Wood

[erik316wttn]

Thankfully I've already given up on this season, or I'd care.

[da bears]

Dusty, Larry and Co. have now officially ruined one player's career, Prior's already on the way, Murton's starting down the path, and Felix Pie, Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall are on deck.

 

Chad Fox says hi.

 

Alot if not every pitcher uses the towel drill to work on mechanics.

 

Completely false.

 

Your completely false.

 

YOU'RE A TOWEL!

 

Haha you beat me to the towel comeback.

[ltb]

Dusty, Larry and Co. have now officially ruined one player's career, Prior's already on the way, Murton's starting down the path, and Felix Pie, Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall are on deck.

 

Chad Fox says hi.

 

hay gyz wuts up ;]

[A New Era]

Dusty, Larry and Co. have now officially ruined one player's career, Prior's already on the way, Murton's starting down the path, and Felix Pie, Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall are on deck.

 

Chad Fox says hi.

 

Alot if not every pitcher uses the towel drill to work on mechanics.

 

Completely false.

 

Your completely false.

 

YOU'RE A TOWEL!

 

Haha you beat me to the towel comeback.

 

[deleted]

[Shavo]

Alot if not every pitcher uses the towel drill to work on mechanics.

 

Completely false.

 

Your completely false.

 

:lol:

[Jon]

Dusty, Larry and Co. have now officially ruined one player's career, Prior's already on the way, Murton's starting down the path, and Felix Pie, Carlos Marmol and Sean Marshall are on deck.

 

Chad Fox says hi.

 

Alot if not every pitcher uses the towel drill to work on mechanics.

 

Completely false.

 

Your completely false.

 

YOU'RE A TOWEL!

 

Haha you beat me to the towel comeback.

 

[deleted]

Please refrain from durogatory racial/ethnic terms.

[Sammy Sofa]

Your mothers are ALL towels.

[baseball7897]

Alot if not every pitcher uses the towel drill to work on mechanics.

 

Completely false.

 

Your completely false.

 

It's "you're", and no, the towel drill isn't all that common at all. There's a reason it's so well known that Prior does it.

 

You need to relax. I have been to numerous pitching camps here are some you might want to know. Don Cooper pitching camp in Lisle, Jim Hickey pitching camp in Tinley Park. Why am I bringing these camps up well for one thing both Hickey and Cooper taught us the "Towel drill". The first thing I learned when I was at these camps was the towel drill. We would be put into groups with 'Major League scouts" showing us the towel drill and how it is a excelent way to keep your mechanics in line and to help get more extension in your throws. So from just major legue scouts teaching us the towel drill I have to figure most major league/Minor league pitchers use the towell drill.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

All my pitchers used the towel drill. It is widely used in college ball from my observations. When I worked for the Pirates AAA team the pitchers would be out around 2ish for a 7 start doing towel drills. So yea, I would say it is a widely spread practice.

[rocket]

http://www.nbc.com/Late_Night_with_Conan_O

YOUR COMPLETELY FALSE

[NCCubFan]

Z's delivery is abysmal by comparison, and he's never missed a single start in his career due to a pitching-related injury.

Actually, that's not true. He did have one stint on the DL, in his rookie season (2002) due to an elbow injury. I remember at the time there was concern that he might have needed TJS, but it turned out to be just a strain.

[NCCubFan]

Dubois, Remlinger, Farnsworth, Sosa....

 

All 4 of these guys are bums.

And what support do you have for that strong accusation?

[Banedon]

Barry Rozner in the Daily Herald thinks that even if Wood is out, we might see him again next year....

 

Woodygate

 

If you think the Cubs are done with Kerry Wood because they’ll buy out his monstrous 2007 option, think again.

 

After all the money they’ve spent, don’t be shocked if they try to sign him to a smaller deal and hope to get something for what they’ve already spent rehabbing him.

 

They sure don’t want to see him go somewhere else, get healthy and win a bunch of games after paying in the neighborhood of $46 million (with the buyout) for 71 career victories, or nearly $650,000 per win.

[Sammy Sofa]

If they can get him for one year with big time incentives, I'm all for it. Let him heal and do what neeeds to be done this year, and then he goes into 2007 as his "make or break year." Find out whether or not he can hack it as a starter, or see if he can be the dominant closer people think he might be.

[SoonerCubFan]

If they can get him for one year with big time incentives, I'm all for it. Let him heal and do what neeeds to be done this year, and then he goes into 2007 as his "make or break year." Find out whether or not he can hack it as a starter, or see if he can be the dominant closer people think he might be.

 

The thing is, they need to choose now if they're going to start converting him over to the bullpen. I'm afraid they're going to continue to go down the wrong path (starter) and waste another year. 2006 should have been his "make or break" year as a starter and he's not progressing, time for an overdue shift of plans.

[RynoRules]

So are we saying that the towel drill is commonly used in developmental leagues (HS, college, minors) and for rehab (i.e., not just by the Cubs)?

[SoonerCubFan]

But it hasn't proven harmful. He's still in the midst of building up arm strength and there's no indication that he's done any damage to his shoulder in the process. There hasn't been anything to determine that he can't build up his arm strength. He hasn't really gone backwards at this point, he's just not moving forwards. But prior to this, he was (albeit slower than you'd want) building up arm strength. A move to the bullpen would essentially be taking him out of this rehab process and prematurely conceding that he can't start.

 

Jon, I assume the latest revelations may have changed your stance on these issues. I would suggest that instead of prematurely conceding that he can't hold up to starting (as his vast injury history seems to blare out), they are now overdue. I, like you, was long supportive of Wood as a starter, but these developments on top of the way he looked out of the pen last year have me 100% convinced otherwise.

 

There's no place for him in the bullpen (rather, we need room for Wuertz) and they're not playing for anything. He needs to focus on building up arm strength and not getting guys out. Let him fully rehab from this and see where he is then. There's still a lot of time left in the season.

 

I have no problem with them taking some time to adjust, and agree that it's better if he does this while not on the 25 man roster. I'm not sure what the rehab rules limit one to, but if he has to spend a couple of months working in regularly scheduled stints and side sessions in MiLB, then I'm all for it. Even if they keep him in a starter role, this must be the case.

[fiver]

If Wood's arm/shoulder/elbow are all structurally sound, then why in the hell would he be alluding to a possible shutdown for the season? If he can only throw 60 pitches before hitting a "wall", then he becomes a reliever. Period. He becomes a reliever this season, so that the Cubs can make an "educated' decision about whether to buy out the contract. If he's a dominant closer, and he can pitch several times a week in that role, then perhaps the Cubs pay him next season (he'd have to be more than dominant in the closer's role) and sign him for less per season as a closer thereafter.

 

I understand that he's frustrated about not being able to start this year, but again....I don't want to hear him talking about shutting down for the year b/c he can't throw more than 60 pitches.

[Roast]

Wow, This is a really sad way to see the Wood era end (assuming he doesnt pitch again this year, and option isnt picked up. Which may be a fairly large assumption, who knows). Wood has been one of my favorite players for a long long time. I'll be sad to see him go somewhere else, but hell, he'll probably have sucess there, so maybe its for the best.

[impaler_240]

I think if he grows a mustache like Maddux in the 80s he'd rehabilitate faster. 8)

[scs_paradise]

Can he pitch in the minors on a "rehab" while on the 60 day? If so, we should just put him on the 60 day, send him down to AA for the rest of the season to build arm strength and confidence. Hope for next year, signing him at a low base plus incentives.

 

what do you think?

[scs_paradise]

If Wood's arm/shoulder/elbow are all structurally sound, then why in the hell would he be alluding to a possible shutdown for the season? If he can only throw 60 pitches before hitting a "wall", then he becomes a reliever. Period. He becomes a reliever this season, so that the Cubs can make an "educated' decision about whether to buy out the contract. If he's a dominant closer, and he can pitch several times a week in that role, then perhaps the Cubs pay him next season (he'd have to be more than dominant in the closer's role) and sign him for less per season as a closer thereafter.

 

I understand that he's frustrated about not being able to start this year, but again....I don't want to hear him talking about shutting down for the year b/c he can't throw more than 60 pitches.

 

he won't be a reliever I've heard because it takes him a LONG time to warm up. Baker said he could have him start warming up an inning early and he still might not be ready. its sounds to me like Wood is starter or nothing material.

[fiver]

If Wood's arm/shoulder/elbow are all structurally sound, then why in the hell would he be alluding to a possible shutdown for the season? If he can only throw 60 pitches before hitting a "wall", then he becomes a reliever. Period. He becomes a reliever this season, so that the Cubs can make an "educated' decision about whether to buy out the contract. If he's a dominant closer, and he can pitch several times a week in that role, then perhaps the Cubs pay him next season (he'd have to be more than dominant in the closer's role) and sign him for less per season as a closer thereafter.

 

I understand that he's frustrated about not being able to start this year, but again....I don't want to hear him talking about shutting down for the year b/c he can't throw more than 60 pitches.

 

he won't be a reliever I've heard because it takes him a LONG time to warm up. Baker said he could have him start warming up an inning early and he still might not be ready. its sounds to me like Wood is starter or nothing material.

 

Yeah...I'm not sold on this until someone other than Baker makes a concrete statement indicating that Wood cannot be a reliever.

[Banedon]

Yeah...I'm not sold on this until someone other than Baker makes a concrete statement indicating that Wood cannot be a reliever.

 

"You can sit here on the face of it and just say 'Put him in the bullpen,'" Rothschild said. "Anybody going through this shoulder stuff, it takes a lot of preparation to get loose. Even if you get him up the inning before [he pitches], he still may not be ready."

[fiver]

Yeah...I'm not sold on this until someone other than Baker makes a concrete statement indicating that Wood cannot be a reliever.

 

"You can sit here on the face of it and just say 'Put him in the bullpen,'" Rothschild said. "Anybody going through this shoulder stuff, it takes a lot of preparation to get loose. Even if you get him up the inning before [he pitches], he still may not be ready."

 

 

I concede. He now has no value, has largely contributed to the Cubs demise since '03, and has accumulated a fortune larger than the GDP of Somoa.