Pujols Implicated in the Grimsley deal

[beer_man]

The trainer came out today on Pujols behalf claiming the he is clean. Here is the link http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm

 

He denied involvement, that should be no surprise. Palmeiro told all of America he had never used steriods. Period. We all know how his story ended.

 

this is different. It has been rumored his name was in the affidavit. That is where all of this started. He is saying his name is not in the affidavit at all...it is easy to prove one way or the other unlike other things. Either his name is there or it isn't...I have seen somewhere else that the number of spaces crossed out does not even add up to the amout of letters in his name...let the rumors fly.

 

That's not exaclty a scientific conclusion you have come up with. If by his denial you believe people will just stop digging into him and his relatioship with Pujols you are wrong.

 

by the way, I hope people dig all they want. I have no problem with that. But this is not that. This is a site saying a persons name is on an affidavit and the other person saying it is not at all. This will be proved either way. This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

wait, you are saying that Mihlfield said his name isn't in the affidavit? How would he know? he didn't give the affidavit, and I doubt the authorities would come to him to reassure him that he wasn't named...so who cares what the trainer said? If I'm misunderstanding you then please explain who said that Mihlfield isn't in it, unless its Grimsley or the authorities, I wouldn't buy it.

 

Did you read the latest article that was posted on here with Mihlfield denying all of this? He said Grimsley and his attorney told him his name was not on the affidavit at all.

[beer_man]

Here's the article:

 

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm

 

In it he even says they have the wrong name of the trainer...

[scs_paradise]

The trainer came out today on Pujols behalf claiming the he is clean. Here is the link http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm

 

He denied involvement, that should be no surprise. Palmeiro told all of America he had never used steriods. Period. We all know how his story ended.

 

this is different. It has been rumored his name was in the affidavit. That is where all of this started. He is saying his name is not in the affidavit at all...it is easy to prove one way or the other unlike other things. Either his name is there or it isn't...I have seen somewhere else that the number of spaces crossed out does not even add up to the amout of letters in his name...let the rumors fly.

 

That's not exaclty a scientific conclusion you have come up with. If by his denial you believe people will just stop digging into him and his relatioship with Pujols you are wrong.

 

by the way, I hope people dig all they want. I have no problem with that. But this is not that. This is a site saying a persons name is on an affidavit and the other person saying it is not at all. This will be proved either way. This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

wait, you are saying that Mihlfield said his name isn't in the affidavit? How would he know? he didn't give the affidavit, and I doubt the authorities would come to him to reassure him that he wasn't named...so who cares what the trainer said? If I'm misunderstanding you then please explain who said that Mihlfield isn't in it, unless its Grimsley or the authorities, I wouldn't buy it.

 

Did you read the latest article that was posted on here with Mihlfield denying all of this? He said Grimsley and his attorney told him his name was not on the affidavit at all.

 

like I said until Grimsley says that he's not on it, I don't buy it. If I'm under that kind of pressure and guilty, I would freaking lie to get the media to back off. So I guess to me it doesn't prove he is and doesn't prove he isn't.

[wondernorm]

The trainer came out today on Pujols behalf claiming the he is clean. Here is the link http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm

 

He denied involvement, that should be no surprise. Palmeiro told all of America he had never used steriods. Period. We all know how his story ended.

 

this is different. It has been rumored his name was in the affidavit. That is where all of this started. He is saying his name is not in the affidavit at all...it is easy to prove one way or the other unlike other things. Either his name is there or it isn't...I have seen somewhere else that the number of spaces crossed out does not even add up to the amout of letters in his name...let the rumors fly.

 

That's not exaclty a scientific conclusion you have come up with. If by his denial you believe people will just stop digging into him and his relatioship with Pujols you are wrong.

 

by the way, I hope people dig all they want. I have no problem with that. But this is not that. This is a site saying a persons name is on an affidavit and the other person saying it is not at all. This will be proved either way. This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

wait, you are saying that Mihlfield said his name isn't in the affidavit? How would he know? he didn't give the affidavit, and I doubt the authorities would come to him to reassure him that he wasn't named...so who cares what the trainer said? If I'm misunderstanding you then please explain who said that Mihlfield isn't in it, unless its Grimsley or the authorities, I wouldn't buy it.

 

Did you read the latest article that was posted on here with Mihlfield denying all of this? He said Grimsley and his attorney told him his name was not on the affidavit at all.

 

like I said until Grimsley says that he's not on it, I don't buy it. If I'm under that kind of pressure and guilty, I would freaking lie to get the media to back off. So I guess to me it doesn't prove he is and doesn't prove he isn't.

 

So you dont believe Mihlfeld that Grimsley said he wasn't on it, because Mihlfeld might be under pressure and guilty, but you'd believe it if it came straight from Grimsley?

[scs_paradise]

what motivation does grimsley have to say someone isn't on it unless he's being threatened? Mihlfield has every motivation to say he was told he wasn't on it. You don't see the difference?

[beer_man]

The trainer came out today on Pujols behalf claiming the he is clean. Here is the link http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14781295.htm

 

He denied involvement, that should be no surprise. Palmeiro told all of America he had never used steriods. Period. We all know how his story ended.

 

this is different. It has been rumored his name was in the affidavit. That is where all of this started. He is saying his name is not in the affidavit at all...it is easy to prove one way or the other unlike other things. Either his name is there or it isn't...I have seen somewhere else that the number of spaces crossed out does not even add up to the amout of letters in his name...let the rumors fly.

 

That's not exaclty a scientific conclusion you have come up with. If by his denial you believe people will just stop digging into him and his relatioship with Pujols you are wrong.

 

by the way, I hope people dig all they want. I have no problem with that. But this is not that. This is a site saying a persons name is on an affidavit and the other person saying it is not at all. This will be proved either way. This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

wait, you are saying that Mihlfield said his name isn't in the affidavit? How would he know? he didn't give the affidavit, and I doubt the authorities would come to him to reassure him that he wasn't named...so who cares what the trainer said? If I'm misunderstanding you then please explain who said that Mihlfield isn't in it, unless its Grimsley or the authorities, I wouldn't buy it.

 

Did you read the latest article that was posted on here with Mihlfield denying all of this? He said Grimsley and his attorney told him his name was not on the affidavit at all.

 

like I said until Grimsley says that he's not on it, I don't buy it. If I'm under that kind of pressure and guilty, I would freaking lie to get the media to back off. So I guess to me it doesn't prove he is and doesn't prove he isn't.

 

well, hopefully the truth comes out soon, but I disagree about the guilty lying part. Everyone knows the name on that affidavit will become public so it really does make no sense to lie about it. No comment is the typical guilty response in those instances because when the name comes out if you lied about that no one will believe another word that comes out of your mouth...the other thing is that Grimsley was asking a trainer for a supplier of greenies at the time...that supplier later hooked him up with the illegal stuff not the trainer...link is page 14 of the affidavit...

[wondernorm]

what motivation does grimsley have to say someone isn't on it unless he's being threatened? Mihlfield has every motivation to say he was told he wasn't on it. You don't see the difference?

 

I agree with Beerman, Mihlfeld doesn't have any motivation to lie about it either, it would do much more damage to him if he lied about and then his name showed up. If it is his name, and he didn't say anything, when it does come out, he could simply say, "yeah, i told him where to get greenies, but thats it," and there would at least be the possiblity of believeability. but if he lied about his name being on it, no on will believe anything he says about the connection. Just too much to lose and little to gain by lying about it at this point.

[beer_man]

Other comments made by Sweeny on the radio...

 

 

--says he would bet every penny he owns that mihlfeld and albert are innocent.

 

--very passionate.

 

--called deadspin a bootleg website.

 

--threatened to hire a lawyer to go after that website if mihlfeld's business is hurt.

 

--also said he DOES know who the actual trainer mentioned in the affidavit is and it is not mihlfeld.

[Soul]

This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

 

Some quotes from this thread:

 

As a Cub fan, I would take NO pleasure if this is true

 

I do not want to see this pan out to be true.

 

I'd be disappointed if this proved to be true

 

I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not accusing yet.

 

I despise the Cardinals as much as anyone, but something like this isn't just bad for Pujols or for the Cardinals if it's true.

 

And if this ends up true, it wouldn't be all that bad for baseball.

 

I'd love to just throw down and full-on accuse Pujols, because honestly I've suspected him for years. But I've got to wait for more evidence than this, even if it does come from a Cards-friendly site.

 

...and that's just a sampling.

 

I don't see this rush to judgment you're speaking of. So I hope you're speaking of people outside this site, because frankly, the posters here have been very careful to reserve judgment.

[Chocolate Milk]

Has 'Roidjols' caught on yet?

[beer_man]

This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

 

Some quotes from this thread:

 

As a Cub fan, I would take NO pleasure if this is true

 

I do not want to see this pan out to be true.

 

I'd be disappointed if this proved to be true

 

I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not accusing yet.

 

I despise the Cardinals as much as anyone, but something like this isn't just bad for Pujols or for the Cardinals if it's true.

 

And if this ends up true, it wouldn't be all that bad for baseball.

 

I'd love to just throw down and full-on accuse Pujols, because honestly I've suspected him for years. But I've got to wait for more evidence than this, even if it does come from a Cards-friendly site.

 

...and that's just a sampling.

 

I don't see this rush to judgment you're speaking of. So I hope you're speaking of people outside this site, because frankly, the posters here have been very careful to reserve judgment.

 

You are right, for the most part, about posters on this forum and thank you for posting that. It is refreshing to see those posts and it is easy to forget that a lot of people are waiting for the truth. I guess it is just frustrating in general how a lot of people just jump to conclusions so fast regarding rumors...I do not understand why in our society people love to build people up just to tear them down...thank you again for the reminder that this is not the goal of everyone.

[CubbieRich]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

[DanzaSlap]

Hehe... "Poolie"

[Soul]

This is about a site posting a rumor and people jumping all aboard with no proof whatsoever...and then if his name is not there it doesn't matter because the damage is done...

 

 

Some quotes from this thread:

 

As a Cub fan, I would take NO pleasure if this is true

 

I do not want to see this pan out to be true.

 

I'd be disappointed if this proved to be true

 

I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not accusing yet.

 

I despise the Cardinals as much as anyone, but something like this isn't just bad for Pujols or for the Cardinals if it's true.

 

And if this ends up true, it wouldn't be all that bad for baseball.

 

I'd love to just throw down and full-on accuse Pujols, because honestly I've suspected him for years. But I've got to wait for more evidence than this, even if it does come from a Cards-friendly site.

 

...and that's just a sampling.

 

I don't see this rush to judgment you're speaking of. So I hope you're speaking of people outside this site, because frankly, the posters here have been very careful to reserve judgment.

 

You are right, for the most part, about posters on this forum and thank you for posting that. It is refreshing to see those posts and it is easy to forget that a lot of people are waiting for the truth. I guess it is just frustrating in general how a lot of people just jump to conclusions so fast regarding rumors...I do not understand why in our society people love to build people up just to tear them down...thank you again for the reminder that this is not the goal of everyone.

 

Yeah, I just wanted to be clear on that because while I totally understand the rush-to-judgement culture exists, I think this site has been pretty careful today in relation to some others I have seen.

[beer_man]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

 

He was in the dugout every game during the homestand. he is not traveling with the team during the roadtrip because the team told him not to on Wed. (he is injured) but I am sure people will spin that as well...

[CubbieRich]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

 

He was in the dugout every game during the homestand. he is not traveling with the team during the roadtrip because the team told him not to on Wed. (he is injured) but I am sure people will spin that as well...

 

Sounds like he has sometime during the day it seems to face the media and address this issue. He can't think with all that is going on, this will simply blowover and go away. Many media people would love to clear all of this up. What's a couple hours gonna hurt? I would hate to think that the Mighty Poolie could be playing a 'little dodgeball' here.

[DanzaSlap]

Rich, what could the "Mighty Poolie" say to prove his innocence to you?

[beer_man]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

 

He was in the dugout every game during the homestand. he is not traveling with the team during the roadtrip because the team told him not to on Wed. (he is injured) but I am sure people will spin that as well...

 

Sounds like he has sometime during the day it seems to face the media and address this issue. He can't think with all that is going on, this will simply blowover and go away. Many media people would love to clear all of this up. What's a couple hours gonna hurt? I would hate to think that the Mighty Poolie could be playing a 'little dodgeball' here.

 

HE has come out and said he was innocent in the past couple weeks and you created a thread calling him a coward. His name is not rumored to be in this affidavit. His trainers name is the rumor and the trainer has denied it...the rest is just 7 degrees of conection speculation...

[CubbieRich]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

 

He was in the dugout every game during the homestand. he is not traveling with the team during the roadtrip because the team told him not to on Wed. (he is injured) but I am sure people will spin that as well...

 

Sounds like he has sometime during the day it seems to face the media and address this issue. He can't think with all that is going on, this will simply blowover and go away. Many media people would love to clear all of this up. What's a couple hours gonna hurt? I would hate to think that the Mighty Poolie could be playing a 'little dodgeball' here.

 

HE has come out and said he was innocent in the past couple weeks and you created a thread calling him a coward. His name is not rumored to be in this affidavit. His trainers name is the rumor and the trainer has denied it...the rest is just 7 degrees of conection speculation...

 

Poolie and his HGH connection even made MSNBC last night. You may believe that at some point he won't have to raise his hand and swear to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" somewhere. I think he knows that's a real possibility. The Feds don't give up so easily.

 

Just like his buddy Big Yak, if there wasn't something there on substance abuse, he would be out there talking to the press and trying to salvage his name. Where is he then?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Poolie and his HGH connection even made MSNBC last night. You may believe that at some point he won't have to raise his hand and swear to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" somewhere. I think he knows that's a real possibility. The Feds don't give up so easily.

 

Just like his buddy Big Yak, if there wasn't something there on substance abuse, he would be out there talking to the press and trying to salvage his name. Where is he then?

 

If he had to answer questions every time there was speculation about this or that, he'd never have time to play ball. Should he have to poke his head out of the woodwork when every random website mentions his name? Your vendetta is tired.

[CubbieRich]

Poolie and his HGH connection even made MSNBC last night. You may believe that at some point he won't have to raise his hand and swear to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" somewhere. I think he knows that's a real possibility. The Feds don't give up so easily.

 

Just like his buddy Big Yak, if there wasn't something there on substance abuse, he would be out there talking to the press and trying to salvage his name. Where is he then?

 

If he had to answer questions every time there was speculation about this or that, he'd never have time to play ball. Should he have to poke his head out of the woodwork when every random website mentions his name? Your vendetta is tired.

 

He's on the DL. He has the time. MSNBC is a national media outlet. Please refrain from the personal attacks.

[DanzaSlap]

He's on the DL. He has the time. MSNBC is a national media outlet. Please refrain from the personal attacks.

 

Again I shall ask -- what could Pujols say to prove to you that he is innocent?

[Blueheart05]

Other comments made by Sweeny on the radio...

 

 

--says he would bet every penny he owns that mihlfeld and albert are innocent.

 

--very passionate.

 

--called deadspin a bootleg website.

 

--threatened to hire a lawyer to go after that website if mihlfeld's business is hurt.

 

--also said he DOES know who the actual trainer mentioned in the affidavit is and it is not mihlfeld.

 

Sweeney is also quoted as saying that he spoke with Grimsley and was told that he didn't mention any names. That sounds to me like Grimsley told the Feds everything out of fear but now he's trying to keep face with friends and former teammates. In which case, Sweeney has no real idea of what is or isn't true.

 

“I still don’t believe Jason named names,” Royals captain Mike Sweeney told the Kansas City Star. “If it comes out otherwise, I will believe it then. I spoke with Jason, and he told me a lot of things written and what’s going to come out is not going to be 100 percent accurate.”

 

Link

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Other comments made by Sweeny on the radio...

 

 

--says he would bet every penny he owns that mihlfeld and albert are innocent.

 

--very passionate.

 

--called deadspin a bootleg website.

 

--threatened to hire a lawyer to go after that website if mihlfeld's business is hurt.

 

--also said he DOES know who the actual trainer mentioned in the affidavit is and it is not mihlfeld.

 

Sweeney is also quoted as saying that he spoke with Grimsley and was told that he didn't mention any names. That sounds to me like Grimsley told the Feds everything out of fear but now he's trying to keep face with friends and former teammates. In which case, Sweeney has no real idea of what is or isn't true.

 

“I still don’t believe Jason named names,” Royals captain Mike Sweeney told the Kansas City Star. “If it comes out otherwise, I will believe it then. I spoke with Jason, and he told me a lot of things written and what’s going to come out is not going to be 100 percent accurate.”

 

Link

 

Well, if Grimsley told Sweeney that, then there's two possibilities.

 

1. Grimsley is lying to Sweeney.

 

2. A federal agent lied in an affadvit signed and submitted to a Federal judge. I think I'll go with door number one.

 

And if Grimsley lied to Sweeney, it's just as easy that his people lied to Mihfiled when they asked if he were named in the affadavit.

[wondernorm]

Why would a St. Louis Cardinal player not want to face the media, let alone a government committee and be asked about their possible usage of an illegal substance?

 

Mark McGwire March 17, 2005:

My lawyers have advised me that I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family and myself.

 

Anyone see the Mighty Poolie these days?

 

He was in the dugout every game during the homestand. he is not traveling with the team during the roadtrip because the team told him not to on Wed. (he is injured) but I am sure people will spin that as well...

 

Sounds like he has sometime during the day it seems to face the media and address this issue. He can't think with all that is going on, this will simply blowover and go away. Many media people would love to clear all of this up. What's a couple hours gonna hurt? I would hate to think that the Mighty Poolie could be playing a 'little dodgeball' here.

 

HE has come out and said he was innocent in the past couple weeks and you created a thread calling him a coward. His name is not rumored to be in this affidavit. His trainers name is the rumor and the trainer has denied it...the rest is just 7 degrees of conection speculation...

 

Poolie and his HGH connection even made MSNBC last night. You may believe that at some point he won't have to raise his hand and swear to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" somewhere. I think he knows that's a real possibility. The Feds don't give up so easily.

 

Just like his buddy Big Yak, if there wasn't something there on substance abuse, he would be out there talking to the press and trying to salvage his name. Where is he then?

 

Salvage his name? I think at this point, you are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. Worst case, at this point, is that it is Mihlfeld's name in the affidavit. If so, that means Grimsley said Mihlfeld told him where he could get amphetamines. No implication of Pujols, just a trainer telling someone where to get greenies. I don't think Pujols has anything to defend himself against at this point. Things may change, but at the point it is a very tenuous case against Pujols.