Grudzielanek

[Backtobanks]

We often talk about how undervalued Todd Walker is and why he is, but what's the story about Grudzielanek? This guy has been a solid player for over a decade and yet is now on his 5th team. I would think that Walker and Grudzielanek have to be 2 of the most undervalued and underrated players in the majors. Does anyone know what the beef is against Grudzielanek?

[Sammy Sofa]

Probably similar to Walker...not flashy enough and is undervalued.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The equipment people hate stitching his name on the jersey?

[Big Fergie J]

The equipment people hate stitching his name on the jersey?

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Just wait til Jarrod Saltalamacchia makes the Braves next year.

 

And yes, he would have the longest name in MLB history. True fact......unless I'm wrong of course.

[schutll]

Is "True Fact' redundant - kind of like the "Honest Truth"

[goonys evil twin]

Grudz had an OPS+ of 96 and 92 in 2004 and 2005. Walker was 105 and 115. Grudz is in his late 30's now, while Todd is 3 years younger. Neither one is in huge demand, but Todd is clearly the better option.

[RedIvyCub]

Grudz had an OPS+ of 96 and 92 in 2004 and 2005. Walker was 105 and 115. Grudz is in his late 30's now, while Todd is 3 years younger. Neither one is in huge demand, but Todd is clearly the better option.

 

Thanks for the giggles...you failed to mention defense here which is where Grudzielanek has it ALL over Todd Walker. OPS alone is not the way to judge a player. You must look at the COMPLETE player...but I know how you stat geeks are. Oh and it helps that Grudz knows how to keep his yapper shut and play the game hard. Character guy... What a huge loss for the Cubs when they lost Grudz.

[srbin84]

Yeah, I like both of these guys, but defense puts Grudz at least even with Walker.

[RedIvyCub]

Yeah, I like both of these guys, but defense puts Grudz at least even with Walker.

 

Give me some of what you are drinking because you are completely off on this one.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Grudz had an OPS+ of 96 and 92 in 2004 and 2005. Walker was 105 and 115. Grudz is in his late 30's now, while Todd is 3 years younger. Neither one is in huge demand, but Todd is clearly the better option.

 

Thanks for the giggles...you failed to mention defense here which is where Grudzielanek has it ALL over Todd Walker. OPS alone is not the way to judge a player. You must look at the COMPLETE player...but I know how you stat geeks are. Oh and it helps that Grudz knows how to keep his yapper shut and play the game hard. Character guy... What a huge loss for the Cubs when they lost Grudz.

 

Giggles all around. What you fail to mention is proof that Grudz has it all over Walker, whatever that means. Their fielding statistics are much closer than you might think.

[KaiserCesar]

Is Grudzielanek anything great on defense? He's better with the glove, but enough to make up for the offensive difference? I don't really think so.

[goonys evil twin]

Grudz had an OPS+ of 96 and 92 in 2004 and 2005. Walker was 105 and 115. Grudz is in his late 30's now, while Todd is 3 years younger. Neither one is in huge demand, but Todd is clearly the better option.

 

Thanks for the giggles...you failed to mention defense here which is where Grudzielanek has it ALL over Todd Walker. OPS alone is not the way to judge a player. You must look at the COMPLETE player...but I know how you stat geeks are. Oh and it helps that Grudz knows how to keep his yapper shut and play the game hard. Character guy... What a huge loss for the Cubs when they lost Grudz.

 

Grudz was hated in LA, many thought of him as a jerk in Chicago as well. And for all the talk that Walker must be a bad character guy because he's left several teams, Grudz has played for just as many teams. And Grudz does not "have" Walker on defense. They are very similar.

[Banedon]

Grudz had an OPS+ of 96 and 92 in 2004 and 2005. Walker was 105 and 115. Grudz is in his late 30's now, while Todd is 3 years younger. Neither one is in huge demand, but Todd is clearly the better option.

 

Thanks for the giggles...you failed to mention defense here which is where Grudzielanek has it ALL over Todd Walker. OPS alone is not the way to judge a player. You must look at the COMPLETE player...but I know how you stat geeks are. Oh and it helps that Grudz knows how to keep his yapper shut and play the game hard. Character guy... What a huge loss for the Cubs when they lost Grudz.

 

Hooray for generic accusations!

[srbin84]

In recent years, Grudz has displayed significantly more range.

[goonys evil twin]

In recent years, Grudz has displayed significantly more range.

 

So his range increased at 34, 35 and 36? I doubt that.

[Geech]

Is Grudzielanek anything great on defense? He's better with the glove, but enough to make up for the offensive difference? I don't really think so.

 

He's better than Todd, but he's only average at best.

[srbin84]

Since Grudz came to the Cubs, Walker has about a .040 higher OPS.

[srbin84]

In recent years, Grudz has displayed significantly more range.

 

So his range increased at 34, 35 and 36? I doubt that.

 

It did, and Walker's has declined.

 

Grudz

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3199&context=fielding

 

Walker

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3539&context=fielding

[goonys evil twin]

In recent years, Grudz has displayed significantly more range.

 

So his range increased at 34, 35 and 36? I doubt that.

 

It did, and Walker's has declined.

 

Grudz

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3199&context=fielding

 

Walker

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3539&context=fielding

 

Oh, range factor. That doesn't really mean he has displayed more range. I really don't think he has.

[srbin84]

In recent years, Grudz has displayed significantly more range.

 

So his range increased at 34, 35 and 36? I doubt that.

 

It did, and Walker's has declined.

 

Grudz

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3199&context=fielding

 

Walker

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3539&context=fielding

 

Oh, range factor. That doesn't really mean he has displayed more range. I really don't think he has.

 

His Zone Rating has improved too.

[Jon]

Didn't Grudz have some not-so-nice things to say about Hendry when he went to St. Louis?

[goonys evil twin]

Didn't Grudz have some not-so-nice things to say about Hendry when he went to St. Louis?

 

He blamed the lack of interest in him on collusion and said the Cubs didn't negotiate in good faith, or something like that. Couldn't understand why a below average hitter reaching his mid 30's would garner little attention.

[srbin84]

Didn't Grudz have some not-so-nice things to say about Hendry when he went to St. Louis?

 

He blamed the lack of interest in him on collusion and said the Cubs didn't negotiate in good faith, or something like that. Couldn't understand why a below average hitter reaching his mid 30's would garner little attention.

 

He is not below average. He has about .030 difference in OPS with Walker.

[goonys evil twin]

Didn't Grudz have some not-so-nice things to say about Hendry when he went to St. Louis?

 

He blamed the lack of interest in him on collusion and said the Cubs didn't negotiate in good faith, or something like that. Couldn't understand why a below average hitter reaching his mid 30's would garner little attention.

 

He is not below average. He has about .040 difference in OPS with Walker.

 

He's had a sub 100 OPS+ the past couple years, which is below average.

[srbin84]

Didn't Grudz have some not-so-nice things to say about Hendry when he went to St. Louis?

 

He blamed the lack of interest in him on collusion and said the Cubs didn't negotiate in good faith, or something like that. Couldn't understand why a below average hitter reaching his mid 30's would garner little attention.

 

He is not below average. He has about .040 difference in OPS with Walker.

 

He's had a sub 100 OPS+ the past couple years, which is below average.

 

So then Walker is barely average?