Nevin to the Cubs

[frostwyrm]

.924 OPS against Lefties the last 3 years... can play 1st/corner OF spots... Texas eating his salary.

 

It's a good trade.

Yeah, definitely a substantial offensive boost vs. LHP. We needed it a lot sooner though.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

.924 OPS against Lefties the last 3 years... can play 1st/corner OF spots... Texas eating his salary.

 

It's a good trade.

Yeah, definitely a substantial offensive boost vs. LHP. We needed it a lot sooner though.

 

Much, much sooner. And just because he's played in the OF before doesn't really mean he "can". He's not good defensively.

[ConstableRabbit]

.924 OPS against Lefties the last 3 years... can play 1st/corner OF spots... Texas eating his salary.

 

It's a good trade.

Yeah, definitely a substantial offensive boost vs. LHP. We needed it a lot sooner though.

 

Much, much sooner. And just because he's played in the OF before doesn't really mean he "can". He's not good defensively.

 

I'm sure his production if platooned with JJ would make up for his subpar defense. Nevin has about a 225 point better OPS than Jones*. We could actually have solid production in right.

 

*Edit: vs LHP this season

[ManCrushOnNomar]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

[Larry Horse]

What I don't get is why Hendry gets the optimism pass, when he's clearly responsible for the mess he's made of this team. What reason has he given us as fans to give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

Great question.

 

This team has gone from five outs from the World Series in 03 to being one game out of last in June of 06.

 

That's quite a freefall.

 

And that results in a two year extension !!!!

 

Rather odd way to go about winning a title, but what do I know?

[NorthsideAvenger]

I think Nevin will help outmore then what people are thinking. This is a player who struggle in the AL ever since he was drafted. But since he moved to the NL, he has had an OBP over .339 (not great but would be one of the better OBP on the time) for 6 straight yrs. I'm willing to say....moving back to the NL, and playing for a contract in 2007, wll rejuvenize Nevin.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

 

They're paying all but $375,000 of his salary.

[goonys evil twin]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

 

They're paying all but $375,000 of his salary.

 

I don't think this is accurate. If it was they'd be saving money overall, after giving up Hairston's ~$1.5 remaining. I thought they were taking on an additional $375k after all was said and done, which means they've got to be paying Nevin about $1.875m and Texas is paying about $4.9m of the remaining, more or less.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

 

They're paying all but $375,000 of his salary.

 

I don't think this is accurate. If it was they'd be saving money overall, after giving up Hairston's ~$1.5 remaining. I thought they were taking on an additional $375k after all was said and done, which means they've got to be paying Nevin about $1.875m and Texas is paying about $4.9m of the remaining, more or less.

 

That figure came from the Trib.

[Brian]

Another positive about the trade - If Jim is selling at the deadline ... I believe that Nevin would be able to get something better in return than Hairston would have been able to get.

[goonys evil twin]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

 

They're paying all but $375,000 of his salary.

 

I don't think this is accurate. If it was they'd be saving money overall, after giving up Hairston's ~$1.5 remaining. I thought they were taking on an additional $375k after all was said and done, which means they've got to be paying Nevin about $1.875m and Texas is paying about $4.9m of the remaining, more or less.

 

That figure came from the Trib.

 

If that were true, that would mean the Cubs either decreased payroll after this trade, or are paying Hairston's salary (which would be some odd and unnecessary bookwork.)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Sometimes the losing gets old.

 

It could make the team better, but not appreciably better. And it could serve as an excuse not to make a deal that would actually make a difference. Hendry's first excuse was nobody else wanted to deal. When that was proved wrong, he made a move for a guy who can only help in minimal ways. So when people beg him to get the bat, he can say he already did, and his apologists will tell us not to be greedy.

 

To be fair, Levine reported this morning that Hendry continues to work the phones with other GMs. I think your comment is a bit speculative.

 

I don't think Hendry's going to rest on his laurels after this deal, but Nevin's presence could be prohibitive to deals that could improve the team now and more importantly in the future(trading for Wilson is the textbook example). This is another reason why Restovich should've gotten a shot. He may have been marginally worse at the role than Nevin, but his presence on the roster isn't going to prevent real improvements from being made.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

How much money is Texas sending in this deal?

 

They're paying all but $375,000 of his salary.

That being the case, you really can't complain about this move.

 

Besides the whole 6 weeks late thing.

[frostwyrm]

Sometimes the losing gets old.

 

It could make the team better, but not appreciably better. And it could serve as an excuse not to make a deal that would actually make a difference. Hendry's first excuse was nobody else wanted to deal. When that was proved wrong, he made a move for a guy who can only help in minimal ways. So when people beg him to get the bat, he can say he already did, and his apologists will tell us not to be greedy.

 

To be fair, Levine reported this morning that Hendry continues to work the phones with other GMs. I think your comment is a bit speculative.

 

I don't think Hendry's going to rest on his laurels after this deal, but Nevin's presence could be prohibitive to deals that could improve the team now and more importantly in the future(trading for Wilson is the textbook example). This is another reason why Restovich should've gotten a shot. He may have been marginally worse at the role than Nevin, but his presence on the roster isn't going to prevent real improvements from being made.

Nevin is basically a poor man's Craig Wilson. I don't see how the Cubs could use two players who are so similar.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Sometimes the losing gets old.

 

It could make the team better, but not appreciably better. And it could serve as an excuse not to make a deal that would actually make a difference. Hendry's first excuse was nobody else wanted to deal. When that was proved wrong, he made a move for a guy who can only help in minimal ways. So when people beg him to get the bat, he can say he already did, and his apologists will tell us not to be greedy.

 

To be fair, Levine reported this morning that Hendry continues to work the phones with other GMs. I think your comment is a bit speculative.

 

I don't think Hendry's going to rest on his laurels after this deal, but Nevin's presence could be prohibitive to deals that could improve the team now and more importantly in the future(trading for Wilson is the textbook example). This is another reason why Restovich should've gotten a shot. He may have been marginally worse at the role than Nevin, but his presence on the roster isn't going to prevent real improvements from being made.

Nevin is basically a poor man's Craig Wilson. I don't see how the Cubs could use two players who are so similar.

 

Wilson can hit RHP too, and has value beyond simply being a platoon 1B/OF, it's exactly the point.

[EricG]

any news on jersey number?

[goonys evil twin]

Nevin is basically a poor man's Craig Wilson. I don't see how the Cubs could use two players who are so similar.

 

You don't see how they could use two guys with pop on the bench?

 

Nevin is not a poor man's Wilson. Besides the fact that he costs more than twice as much, Nevin is 6 years older, and coming off a season with a 79 OPS+, compared to Wilson's 112. And Craig is running circles around Nevin now. Wilson could start for this team in LF, moving Murton into a platoon with Jones, which blows the doors off the current OF production. Nevin is the backup for 1B and 3B, and a pinch hitter. Wilson is a legit starter.

[3finger]

Nevin is basically a poor man's Craig Wilson. I don't see how the Cubs could use two players who are so similar.

 

You don't see how they could use two guys with pop on the bench?

 

Nevin is not a poor man's Wilson. Besides the fact that he costs more than twice as much, Nevin is 6 years older, and coming off a season with a 79 OPS+, compared to Wilson's 112. And Craig is running circles around Nevin now. Wilson could start for this team in LF, moving Murton into a platoon with Jones, which blows the doors off the current OF production. Nevin is the backup for 1B and 3B, and a pinch hitter. Wilson is a legit starter.

 

As I mentioned earlier, Nevin's medicore 722 OPS this year has been vastly inflated by his home ABs at The Bandbox in Arlington. He won't reach 700 in Chicago unless the wind is blowing out every day at Wrigley. Wilson is a vastly superior player.

 

Yes, adding Nevin will help, because even a 680 OPS is better than what the Cubs were getting from Hairston and whatever hideous middle infielder Nevin effectively pushes to the bench. But this deal won't mean much -- maybe a tenth of a win.

[frostwyrm]

Sometimes the losing gets old.

 

It could make the team better, but not appreciably better. And it could serve as an excuse not to make a deal that would actually make a difference. Hendry's first excuse was nobody else wanted to deal. When that was proved wrong, he made a move for a guy who can only help in minimal ways. So when people beg him to get the bat, he can say he already did, and his apologists will tell us not to be greedy.

 

To be fair, Levine reported this morning that Hendry continues to work the phones with other GMs. I think your comment is a bit speculative.

 

I don't think Hendry's going to rest on his laurels after this deal, but Nevin's presence could be prohibitive to deals that could improve the team now and more importantly in the future(trading for Wilson is the textbook example). This is another reason why Restovich should've gotten a shot. He may have been marginally worse at the role than Nevin, but his presence on the roster isn't going to prevent real improvements from being made.

Nevin is basically a poor man's Craig Wilson. I don't see how the Cubs could use two players who are so similar.

 

Wilson can hit RHP too, and has value beyond simply being a platoon 1B/OF, it's exactly the point.

Wilson is okay vs. RHP, nothing special. If I had a team ideally I wouldn't have to play Wilson every day. I'd want to give him a substantial number of days off vs. tougher RHP and have a quality LH backup in the OF.

[Fro]

Wilson's defense is also a lot better than Nevin's, plus he's a more experienced "emergency catcher" (played 21 games at the position in 2003).

 

He's kind of redundant with Nevin here, but he'd be a much better long-term bench bat/platoon with Jones/DH in interleague.

[CubfaninCA]

can't see the cubs going after craig wilson now. i'll bet hendry inquired and he's too pricey for the cubs' blood. wilson would cost rich hill and probably more. the next stop gap move is probably a pitcher. if they get real hot, then they may look to upgrade @ 2b, LF, SS or CF.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trading Rich Hill for Craig Wilson is so far from being "pricey" it's not even funny.

 

Though I agree, another player would have to be involved.

[CubfaninCA]

Trading Rich Hill for Craig Wilson is so far from being "pricey" it's not even funny.

 

Though I agree, another player would have to be involved.

 

hendry might still consider dealing hill pricey. who really knows tho. it could all be posturing by jim. i think wilson's $3.3 million salary may not be trib friendly either, and i doubt pitt would eat any of his salary.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well, if there's one thing Pittsburgh needs, it's left handed starting pitching.

[Sammy Sofa]

All lefties, all the time. At least they could rest easy knowing they'd destroy the Cubs for eternity.