blaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh-rocketman

[Caryatid]

Look, its easy to make kooky "dollars per pitch/dollars per inning", etc. for players who make a lot of money. But the reality is that EVERY player is paid an unbelievable amount of money. And taking a 4 month flyer on a guy who has done nothing but dominate almost every year for the last 20 years versus paying four bad players the same amount is a good gamble for me.

 

Anyone ever figure out how much Pierre gets per RBI?

 

Not a fair comparison, Pierre was not brought in to drive guys in. Sure, it is part of his all around job duty, but I would rather his RBI's be down and his OBP up!

 

True...that was more of a joke. But I'll be happy to see what he earns per appearance on base.

[Caryatid]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

Ok, I'll give you 3 of those players, although I think one of those players has a lot of upside on defense.

 

But to call Pierre awful is a BIG stretch. Struggling in 1/4 of the year, even if he's starting to come back little by little, does not an awful player make. He's been quite good over the past few years.

 

No, he hasn't. He was mediocre at best last year, brings only one element to the game-speed-and is a liability in the field. He has steadily declined over two consecutive years, and the Cubs gave up at least one solid prospect for him.

 

He's been bad for a lot longer than 1/4 of one year.

[goonys evil twin]

Look, its easy to make kooky "dollars per pitch/dollars per inning", etc. for players who make a lot of money. But the reality is that EVERY player is paid an unbelievable amount of money. And taking a 4 month flyer on a guy who has done nothing but dominate almost every year for the last 20 years versus paying four bad players the same amount is a good gamble for me.

 

Anyone ever figure out how much Pierre gets per RBI?

 

Not a fair comparison, Pierre was not brought in to drive guys in. Sure, it is part of his all around job duty, but I would rather his RBI's be down and his OBP up!

 

True...that was more of a joke. But I'll be happy to see what he earns per appearance on base.

 

Clemens doesn't really get paid per pitch, he gets paid for recording outs and not giving up runs. Pierre might not have been brought in for RBI, but he should have a heck of a lot more than he does now. Perhaps we should think about how much Pierre gets paid per out he makes, which at this point, isn't that much.

[NewUserName]

My only wish about Roger Clemens is that everyone at ESPN would note his numbers after age 35 and mention that these do seem to be very out of the ordinary. Especially considering that Boston let him go because he wasnt great anymore. Yes this is me questioning how come he is still so good at an advanced age. Worse of all in all the steroid scrutiny of the last few years how this guy hasnt even gotten a scratch.

 

Still on that note I would much rather pay Clemens 13 mill for a half a season than about 50 mill of the Cubs roster.

[goonys evil twin]

My only wish about Roger Clemens is that everyone at ESPN would note his numbers after age 35 and mention that these do seem to be very out of the ordinary. Especially considering that Boston let him go because he wasnt great anymore. Yes this is me questioning how come he is still so good at an advanced age. Worse of all in all the steroid scrutiny of the last few years how this guy hasnt even gotten a scratch.

 

Still on that note I would much rather pay Clemens 13 mill for a half a season than about 50 mill of the Cubs roster.

 

He just finished a 50 day suspension for roids, and started a new cycle after the WBC.

[JakeSlater]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

Ok, I'll give you 3 of those players, although I think one of those players has a lot of upside on defense.

 

But to call Pierre awful is a BIG stretch. Struggling in 1/4 of the year, even if he's starting to come back little by little, does not an awful player make. He's been quite good over the past few years.

 

No, he hasn't. He was mediocre at best last year, brings only one element to the game-speed-and is a liability in the field. He has steadily declined over two consecutive years, and the Cubs gave up at least one solid prospect for him.

 

He's been bad for a lot longer than 1/4 of one year.

 

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

[ltb]

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

 

those numbers have declined every year since 2003. he is on pace for career lows in his hitting rate stats. he is also on pace for a career high in strikeouts.

 

he is mediocre, and if he continues playing like this, he is awful.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Who cares about the Rocketman?

 

I'm completely tired of this charade. Hopefully, Clemens gets bombed.

[JakeSlater]

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

 

those numbers have declined every year since 2003. he is on pace for career lows in his hitting rate stats. he is also on pace for a career high in strikeouts.

 

he is mediocre, and if he continues playing like this, he is awful.

 

As I said, easy to complain now instead of seeing what happens.

 

Pierre's starting to get his stroke back though.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

 

those numbers have declined every year since 2003. he is on pace for career lows in his hitting rate stats. he is also on pace for a career high in strikeouts.

 

he is mediocre, and if he continues playing like this, he is awful.

 

As I said, easy to complain now instead of seeing what happens.

 

Pierre's starting to get his stroke back though.

Maybe so, but it still doesn't cover for his terribly pathetic first 2 months.

[goonys evil twin]

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

 

those numbers have declined every year since 2003. he is on pace for career lows in his hitting rate stats. he is also on pace for a career high in strikeouts.

 

he is mediocre, and if he continues playing like this, he is awful.

 

As I said, easy to complain now instead of seeing what happens.

 

Pierre's starting to get his stroke back though.

 

Yes, it's easy to complain now, because he sucks. And it was easy to complain when they got him because he was coming off of a bad year.

 

Since when do you have to wait to the end of the season to complain about a player who is hurting your team right now. Pierre hasn't done a gosh darn thing for the Cubs. I don't care how much he helped Florida in 2003. He's a one dimensional player whose one dimension is to suck right now. He's killing the team.

[soccer10k]

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

I will give that some serious thought and get back to you. The overall contributions from those 4 need to be weighed in a manner where the comparison is fair, not to mention the... oh, who am I kidding?

 

Neifi Perez is our MVP and Glendon Rusch is our Ace. I would take them in a heartbeat.

[CDBears1259]

My only wish about Roger Clemens is that everyone at ESPN would note his numbers after age 35 and mention that these do seem to be very out of the ordinary. Especially considering that Boston let him go because he wasnt great anymore. Yes this is me questioning how come he is still so good at an advanced age. Worse of all in all the steroid scrutiny of the last few years how this guy hasnt even gotten a scratch.

 

Still on that note I would much rather pay Clemens 13 mill for a half a season than about 50 mill of the Cubs roster.

 

He just finished a 50 day suspension for roids, and started a new cycle after the WBC.

 

While I doubt that to be the case, I actually heard some local idiot sports radio guys seriously speculate that that may be the case.

 

On a side note, why is my font screwed up and how do I change it back to normal?

[Soul]

Talk about a "what have you done for me yesterday" attitude.

 

He has a .305 career BA with a .355 career OBP. He has 267 career stolen bases and 211 career Ks. Doesn't sound like mediocre to me.

 

He'll be just fine on this team.

 

those numbers have declined every year since 2003. he is on pace for career lows in his hitting rate stats. he is also on pace for a career high in strikeouts.

 

he is mediocre, and if he continues playing like this, he is awful.

 

As I said, easy to complain now instead of seeing what happens.

 

Pierre's starting to get his stroke back though.

 

Yes, it's easy to complain now, because he sucks. And it was easy to complain when they got him because he was coming off of a bad year.

 

Since when do you have to wait to the end of the season to complain about a player who is hurting your team right now. Pierre hasn't done a gosh darn thing for the Cubs. I don't care how much he helped Florida in 2003. He's a one dimensional player whose one dimension is to suck right now. He's killing the team.

 

I'd have to agree. Plenty of players pad their stats after the team is out of the race. Their numbers look decent at the end of the season, but where were they when the games still mattered? Nowhere.

[Jimy is a misspell]

You guys would be all over him if he were coming to Chi-town. Hell, Barrett practically begged him at the WBC.

[brinoch]

Well that only works if you are planning on playing with only 21 players on the roster. I know they vastly overpaid for their bench but you do still have to pay players 22 through 25.

 

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

 

This is why people complain when management overpays for mediocre players. It's not that we're concerned the Trib is wasting money. It's the fact that we know money is being misappropriated by a management team that believes heavily in overpaying bad veteran bench players and stears clear of star free agent difference makers.

 

I've made this argument time and time again, but still the misallocation of resources continues. Think of it this way... would you rather have Brian Giles at $12M per year, or Jones, Perez, Rusch, Pierre and Hairston?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As I said, easy to complain now instead of seeing what happens.

 

Pierre's starting to get his stroke back though.

 

As evidenced by his 279/311 clip over the past 10 games? That's a marked improvement over his horrible start, and it's still completely unacceptable for a leadoff man.