Baker vs. Baylor

[BigSlick]

If the Cubs could replace Baker with Groove tomorrow for the rest of the season, would you be in favor of it? Who is the worse/more frustrating manager?

 

Wouldn't matter much, the manager can't change the roster, and thats exactly whats wrong with this team.

 

No hitting. What can he do?

[srbin84]

If the Cubs could replace Baker with Groove tomorrow for the rest of the season, would you be in favor of it? Who is the worse/more frustrating manager?

 

Wouldn't matter much, the manager can't change the roster, and thats exactly whats wrong with this team.

 

No hitting. What can he do?

 

I don't like Baker at all, but I'm far from a basher. I just don't think it should EVER occur to him to do things like starting Bynum two days in a row, especially since he didn't do much in the first game. If he gets 3 or 4 hits, I can deal with it, but just doing it for no reason is stupid.

[BigSlick]

I heard Ozzie Guillen on the radio yesterday. He was ticked and demanded a full-tema practice. Why? Failed bunt attempts. Failed bunt attempts in the AL nontheless where they aren't as important. Dusty doesn't stress fundamentals and it shows. I am not saying Dusty has to be a fiery guy, but he has to stress fundamentals. Maybe when the Cubs play the Sox at the Cell the tema can practice in the FUNdamentals section where the kids do.

 

Thats why they have the ring and Pennant and we can only dream of it

 

No, that's not why at all.

 

I really hope the first two posts are tongue-in-cheek, if not:

 

The bunting, stealing, etc. was more of a distraction than a help to the Sox team. Reasons for winning the World Series:

 

1. Hot team, right after being pushed by the Indians for the division title

 

2. Superb pitching, in fact, almost supernatural pitching in the playoffs.

 

3. Career years from relatively mediocre players.

 

4. Lots of home runs.

 

5. Luck. Winning in the playoffs is usually a crapshoot.

 

Bunting almost always causes a strategically negative effect. Never good to trade bases for outs. All the "fundamentals" have for the most part been refuted by stats as distractions. Speed as an important factor in a strong baseball team is also a misconception. "Manufacturing" runs is complete BS. A .260 hitter is more productive ("creates" more runs on average) swinging away at pitches than bunting a lead off man.

 

Also, Joe Morgan is a moron.

 

Unfortunately for the Cubs, Dusty Baker has FALLEN IN LOVE with this "small-ball" idea. Its complete contradictorary to effective baseball strategy, and is just a romantic view of the game. We're screwed until this idiot leaves.

[BigSlick]

If the Cubs could replace Baker with Groove tomorrow for the rest of the season, would you be in favor of it? Who is the worse/more frustrating manager?

 

Wouldn't matter much, the manager can't change the roster, and thats exactly whats wrong with this team.

 

No hitting. What can he do?

 

I don't like Baker at all, but I'm far from a basher. I just don't think it should EVER occur to him to do things like starting Bynum two days in a row, especially since he didn't do much in the first game. If he gets 3 or 4 hits, I can deal with it, but just doing it for no reason is stupid.

 

He loves taking out our hottest hitters for absolutely no reason, or for completely idiotic reasons like "going up against a left-hander" or something and keeping someone like Jacque Jones in.

 

I especially love taking out Todd Walker for Neifi Perez, so Maddux can get better defense at 2b. I think the runs created by Walker more than makes up for his defense. :roll:

[cubfan1955]

The real problem is having people named Neifi, Bynum, Hairston, Jones, Mabry, and Rusch on the roster. With names like that populating our roster the payroll should be somewhere around $70 million...not $100 million. I can't even blame Dusty for playing Bynum and Perez. He has, afterall, always said he plays everyone on the roster. Does Hendry not know this. Everyone Hendry puts on the roster is going to get playing time

 

So, playing on the original title of this thread:

 

Hendry or Ed Lynch? :D

[BigSlick]

The real problem is having people named Neifi, Bynum, Hairston, Jones, Mabry, and Rusch on the roster. With names like that populating our roster the payroll should be somewhere around $70 million...not $100 million. I can't even blame Dusty for playing Bynum and Perez. He has, afterall, always said he plays everyone on the roster. Does Hendry not know this. Everyone Hendry puts on the roster is going to get playing time

 

So, playing on the original title of this thread:

 

Hendry or Ed Lynch? :D

 

Yet Dusty expressed desire for some speed on the basepaths, so should we fault our GM for trying to help a manager get talent he requires?

[cubfan1955]

The real problem is having people named Neifi, Bynum, Hairston, Jones, Mabry, and Rusch on the roster. With names like that populating our roster the payroll should be somewhere around $70 million...not $100 million. I can't even blame Dusty for playing Bynum and Perez. He has, afterall, always said he plays everyone on the roster. Does Hendry not know this. Everyone Hendry puts on the roster is going to get playing time

 

So, playing on the original title of this thread:

 

Hendry or Ed Lynch? :D

 

Yet Dusty expressed desire for some speed on the basepaths, so should we fault our GM for trying to help a manager get talent he requires?

Shouldn't that GM get someone with speed that can actually get on base? I mean I know it's nice the guy can run a 4 - 40 but what good does it do when the only place they go is from the batters box back to the dugout?

[BigSlick]

The real problem is having people named Neifi, Bynum, Hairston, Jones, Mabry, and Rusch on the roster. With names like that populating our roster the payroll should be somewhere around $70 million...not $100 million. I can't even blame Dusty for playing Bynum and Perez. He has, afterall, always said he plays everyone on the roster. Does Hendry not know this. Everyone Hendry puts on the roster is going to get playing time

 

So, playing on the original title of this thread:

 

Hendry or Ed Lynch? :D

 

Yet Dusty expressed desire for some speed on the basepaths, so should we fault our GM for trying to help a manager get talent he requires?

Shouldn't that GM get someone with speed that can actually get on base? I mean I know it's nice the guy can run a 4 - 40 but what good does it do when the only place they go is from the batters box back to the dugout?

 

But...but...

 

Thats hard.

[srbin84]

The real problem is having people named Neifi, Bynum, Hairston, Jones, Mabry, and Rusch on the roster. With names like that populating our roster the payroll should be somewhere around $70 million...not $100 million. I can't even blame Dusty for playing Bynum and Perez. He has, afterall, always said he plays everyone on the roster. Does Hendry not know this. Everyone Hendry puts on the roster is going to get playing time

 

So, playing on the original title of this thread:

 

Hendry or Ed Lynch? :D

 

That's a tough one, I really didn't like Ed Lynch, but he didn't have the resources Hendry has.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Don Baylor was the worst Cub manager for at least the last quarter century.

 

Holy Hyperbole, Batman !!! Do you realize that Joey Amalfitano, Lee Elia, Charlie Fox, John Vukovich, Frank Lucchesi, Joe Altobelli, Jim Essian, Rene Lachemann & Bruce Kimm have all managed the Chicago CUBS during the last quarter century ????

 

I say we exhume the body of Frank Chance and prop him up in the dugout and call him the manager. At least he's led the team to a World Series title before !!!!

[srbin84]

Don Baylor was the worst Cub manager for at least the last quarter century.

 

Holy Hyperbole, Batman !!! Do you realize that Joey Amalfitano, Lee Elia, Charlie Fox, John Vukovich, Frank Lucchesi, Joe Altobelli, Jim Essian, Rene Lachemann & Bruce Kimm have all managed the Chicago CUBS during the last quarter century ????

 

I say we exhume the body of Frank Chance and prop him up in the dugout and call him the manager. At least he's led the team to a World Series title before !!!!

 

I don't think guys that only managed a couple games can be judged.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Don Baylor was the worst Cub manager for at least the last quarter century.

 

Holy Hyperbole, Batman !!! Do you realize that Joey Amalfitano, Lee Elia, Charlie Fox, John Vukovich, Frank Lucchesi, Joe Altobelli, Jim Essian, Rene Lachemann & Bruce Kimm have all managed the Chicago CUBS during the last quarter century ????

 

I say we exhume the body of Frank Chance and prop him up in the dugout and call him the manager. At least he's led the team to a World Series title before !!!!

 

I don't think guys that only managed a couple games can be judged.

 

I certainly hope you're not implying that those 1 game wonders were of any value ?? Of course they can be judged. They're all good ol' boy hangers on. They aren't worth they contracts they got, and they are where they belong today...... retired !!!

[srbin84]

 

I certainly hope you're not implying that those 1 game wonders were of any value ?? Of course they can be judged. They're all good ol' boy hangers on. They aren't worth they contracts they got, and they are where they belong today...... retired !!!

 

Probably not, but I don't think managing a big league ball club is as hard a job as it is a hard job to get. I think there are a lot of people who could make great managers, but they would never have the connections to get the job nor the respect from the players because they would want a former player managing them. Hence, I can't say for sure those kinds of guys would have done a bad job over the course of a season. You are right about everything else you said about them though.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I would rather have Ozzie Osbourne managing the Cubs, over the DB twins.