The Official I Miss Moises Alou Thread

[Mizzou]

What's with all the Moises hate?

 

Moises is not a good person or a good player. He is a cancer in the clubhouse.

 

And you know its funny, some of the people who "miss him" are the same ones who used to grumble about him grounding out to 3b every ab or all of the DPs he hit into or his terrible fielding.

 

We dont need this kind of trouble again.

I'd love to see you try and defend the bolded statement. With facts.

 

And have you met him? That's pretty harsh calling him a bad person if you haven't even met the guy.

[Geech]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

 

how rational!

 

I can understand disliking him as a person, but I'm disappointed to see Tim write this.

[oldcubsfan]

All these reponses and not one mention of Moises pissing on his hands. I'm proud of you guys.

 

If you mess with Moises, urine trouble!

You sound like Stone.

[oldcubsfan]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

What's with all the Moises hate?

 

They heard it for the god Stone. I sure miss Alou far more than Stone.

[cheapseats]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

 

While you didn't say why you detest him (on the field stuff, off the field stuff, or both), it's certainly your right to do so.

 

Personally, it doesn't matter to me as much. I'd rather have a Moises Alou arguing with the umpires and antagonizing Steve Stone than a Todd Hollandsworth being a model citizen. But I care more about winning than I care about peripheral stuff. Of course there's some things even I wouldn't put up with, but Moises wasn't guilty of those things.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've heard just the opposite that Alou was very well liked in the clubhouse.

 

Calling Alou not a good ballplayer is ridiculous.

 

I'd much rather have Alou than Alex Sanchez.

[sunnydoo]

I'd much rather have Alou than Alex Sanchez.

 

I would rather have Patterson in LF than Alou.

[Guest]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

What's with all the Moises hate?

I hate that Moises tanked the first two years of his contract and then mysteriously decided it was time to care when it was a contract year.

 

I hate the way Moises played LF.

 

I hate the way Moises couldn't pick up a ball off the grass in the OF when there was a play at the plate.

 

I hated all the first pitch ground outs and double plays.

 

I hated all the distractions that came with Moises.

 

In addition, there was just something that rubbed me the wrong way about the guy (obviously).

[Guest]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

 

how rational!

 

I can understand disliking him as a person, but I'm disappointed to see Tim write this.

Why is it upsetting to see me write that?

 

Is it that I actually disliked a player to that extent? Or is it that you are interpreting it that I'd prefer to lose than have Moises on the team? Because the second statement isn't really true. I can easily defend the decision not to reup with an OF who played lousy defense, was an injury concern, only had one good offensive year in the past three and was OLD at the time of the contract. Moises may have produced well over the past two years, but wasn't a great bet to do so. The decision was the right one at the time and remains the right one today.

 

The wrong decision was what was done with the OF after Moises left.

 

Well...

 

The wrong decision was not to dump Moises for a bag of uncooked corn after 2002 and go hard after Vlad.

 

But that's a different story.

[rocket]

I hate that Moises tanked the first two years of his contract and then mysteriously decided it was time to care when it was a contract year.

 

Wood gets excused for poor performance because of nagging injuries. Why not Moises? I remember him saying he felt healthy in 2004 for the 1st time in a while, and the results showed that. I'm assuming he still feels healthy now, and he's still producing.

[Geech]

Wood gets excused for poor performance because of nagging injuries. Why not Moises? I remember him saying he felt healthy in 2004 for the 1st time in a while, and the results showed that. I'm assuming he still feels healthy now, and he's still producing.

 

Wood at least has good career numbers and dominating k/9 numbers despite his injuries. Potatohands did very little on the Cobs until '04.

 

However, that still doesn't explain the depth of Tim's hate for him.

[Guest]

I said when Moises left that I didn't care if he hit .400 with 80 HR. There are very few Cubs players that I have ever detested, but Moises was one of the proud. I stand by that statement. I know the Cubs would have been a better team the last two years with Alou out there, but I don't care. I blame Hendry for not finding better options for the OF, but I absolutely applaud the move of letting Alou go.

What's with all the Moises hate?

 

They heard it for the god Stone. I sure miss Alou far more than Stone.

Does Steve say bad things about Moises? I wouldn't have the slightest idea as I don't listen to his show and haven't heard him since he stopped announcing the Cubs.

 

For the record, I loved Steve as an announcer and wish that the Cubs had retained his services as color man. However, I disagree with much that Stone has to say and take particular exception to the way he paints things with Wood. So if you can not accuse me of being a Stone sycophant again, I'd appreciate it.

[rocket]

Wood gets excused for poor performance because of nagging injuries. Why not Moises? I remember him saying he felt healthy in 2004 for the 1st time in a while, and the results showed that. I'm assuming he still feels healthy now, and he's still producing.

 

Wood at least has good career numbers and dominating k/9 numbers despite his injuries. Potatohands did very little on the Cobs until '04.

 

However, that still doesn't explain the depth of Tim's hate for him.

 

Alou's 2003 wasn't that bad. It wasn't 10 million dollars good, but he was still productive that year. And Alou's career numbers are good too.

[Guest]

I hate that Moises tanked the first two years of his contract and then mysteriously decided it was time to care when it was a contract year.

 

Wood gets excused for poor performance because of nagging injuries. Why not Moises? I remember him saying he felt healthy in 2004 for the 1st time in a while, and the results showed that. I'm assuming he still feels healthy now, and he's still producing.

Completely different situations in my mind.

 

BTW - based on the amount of time he's missed the last couple years, I'd assume he's still suffering from nagging injuries. And didn't he credit his better health in 2004 to his improved offseason workout regimen?

[Geech]

Why is it upsetting to see me write that?

 

Is it that I actually disliked a player to that extent? Or is it that you are interpreting it that I'd prefer to lose than have Moises on the team? Because the second statement isn't really true. I can easily defend the decision not to reup with an OF who played lousy defense, was an injury concern, only had one good offensive year in the past three and was OLD at the time of the contract. Moises may have produced well over the past two years, but wasn't a great bet to do so. The decision was the right one at the time and remains the right one today.

 

The wrong decision was what was done with the OF after Moises left.

 

Well...

 

The wrong decision was not to dump Moises for a bag of uncooked corn after 2002 and go hard after Vlad.

 

But that's a different story.

 

It's disappointing to see you write that because it's not a rational decision. I can forgive a whole lot of baserunning and fielding mistakes for a leftfielder that hits .400 with 80 hr.

[Guest]

Why is it upsetting to see me write that?

 

Is it that I actually disliked a player to that extent? Or is it that you are interpreting it that I'd prefer to lose than have Moises on the team? Because the second statement isn't really true. I can easily defend the decision not to reup with an OF who played lousy defense, was an injury concern, only had one good offensive year in the past three and was OLD at the time of the contract. Moises may have produced well over the past two years, but wasn't a great bet to do so. The decision was the right one at the time and remains the right one today.

 

The wrong decision was what was done with the OF after Moises left.

 

Well...

 

The wrong decision was not to dump Moises for a bag of uncooked corn after 2002 and go hard after Vlad.

 

But that's a different story.

 

It's disappointing to see you write that because it's not a rational decision. I can forgive a whole lot of baserunning and fielding mistakes for a leftfielder that hits .400 with 80 hr.

Meh, so I'm human after all.

[USSoccer]

I forgot how much Tim disliked Alou... :D

[srbin84]

I never liked him that much when we had him, even in 2003 and 2004. I felt the Cubs got ripped off pretty bad by him after that pathetic first year, and even when he was doing well in 03 and 04, he wasn't the player he was before we got him. I was excited when the Cubs signed Alou because I thought we were getting a .325-.350 hitter with decent power but what he we ended up with was a slugger and what I thought was a less valuable hitter than what he should have been.

[Guest]

I forgot how much Tim disliked Alou... :D

At least I'm consistent in my few irrationalities.

[dalgreen]

And you know its funny, some of the people who "miss him" are the same ones who used to grumble about him grounding out to 3b every ab or all of the DPs he hit into or his terrible fielding.

 

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=D> =D> =D>

 

 

Of course the problem I have with the hindsight fans is that there's no guarantee that Alou would've put up similar numbers if he'd stayed with the Cubs. I don't watch many Giants games because I don't care to see/hear about Bonds, but I wonder if Daddy Alou puts up with Moises' bad baserunning, poor throws, first pitch ground outs, not calling off the SS/3B on pop ups, not giving ground to the CF on fly balls......

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And you know its funny, some of the people who "miss him" are the same ones who used to grumble about him grounding out to 3b every ab or all of the DPs he hit into or his terrible fielding.

 

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=D> =D> =D>

 

 

Of course the problem I have with the hindsight fans is that there's no guarantee that Alou would've put up similar numbers if he'd stayed with the Cubs. I don't watch many Giants games because I don't care to see/hear about Bonds, but I wonder if Daddy Alou puts up with Moises' bad baserunning, poor throws, first pitch ground outs, not calling off the SS/3B on pop ups, not giving ground to the CF on fly balls......

 

As I said in my first post, I bitched lots about Alou. I have since repented and hope Moises forgives me.

[neely crenshaw]

i do miss moises' production but i have to say at the time i thought we had a gm that realized we would need to replace alou and sosa's numbers but then i found out we would fill in for them with dubois, lawton,jones, burnitz, and even murton....we have had a year plau and we still aren't close to replacing sammy's and moises 75 homeruns from 04...we might not get that from rf and lf on 2 seasons..

[dalgreen]

And you know its funny, some of the people who "miss him" are the same ones who used to grumble about him grounding out to 3b every ab or all of the DPs he hit into or his terrible fielding.

 

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=D> =D> =D>

 

 

Of course the problem I have with the hindsight fans is that there's no guarantee that Alou would've put up similar numbers if he'd stayed with the Cubs. I don't watch many Giants games because I don't care to see/hear about Bonds, but I wonder if Daddy Alou puts up with Moises' bad baserunning, poor throws, first pitch ground outs, not calling off the SS/3B on pop ups, not giving ground to the CF on fly balls......

 

As I said in my first post, I bitched lots about Alou. I have since repented and hope Moises forgives me.

 

But why do you miss him and why are you repenting? I guess I'd understand it more if he were still with the Cubs and putting up unbelievable numbers. But as I said, there's no guarantee that he'd have the same seasons with the Cubs as he's had with the Giants. I see this as similar to Pirates fans who bitched about Ramirez now asking forgiveness. It's sports.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Considering the production we had in LF in 2005 and the prodcution from RF this season, that is why I miss Moises. We would be a much, much better team with him.

[rocket]

I hate that Moises tanked the first two years of his contract and then mysteriously decided it was time to care when it was a contract year.

 

Wood gets excused for poor performance because of nagging injuries. Why not Moises? I remember him saying he felt healthy in 2004 for the 1st time in a while, and the results showed that. I'm assuming he still feels healthy now, and he's still producing.

Completely different situations in my mind.

 

BTW - based on the amount of time he's missed the last couple years, I'd assume he's still suffering from nagging injuries. And didn't he credit his better health in 2004 to his improved offseason workout regimen?

 

Are you mad at Maddux for just now improving his offseason workout regimen too?