Prior and Wood updates

[Garwilly]

 

I'm done with it. I love Kerry Wood. I moved back from Oregon to follow Cubs baseball after seeing his 19 K game. but the future plans should not be Kerry Wood, so the Cubs should get out of him what they can right fricken now.

 

Ok, assume this IS the thought process. Would you like to have kerry wood for 3 starts and then have him in the DL because his arm strength wasn't high enough, or would you like to have him for 20 starts and then send him packing?

 

Must not have been paying that much attention before you returned. 19 k's??

[Banedon]

hey, putting words in my mouth. not unexpected as that is your MO.

 

That's unnecessary. If you disagree with him, fine, tell him why you do. Don't resort to personal attacks please.

[jjgman21]

 

I'm done with it. I love Kerry Wood. I moved back from Oregon to follow Cubs baseball after seeing his 19 K game. but the future plans should not be Kerry Wood, so the Cubs should get out of him what they can right fricken now.

 

Ok, assume this IS the thought process. Would you like to have kerry wood for 3 starts and then have him in the DL because his arm strength wasn't high enough, or would you like to have him for 20 starts and then send him packing?

 

Must not have been paying that much attention before you returned. 19 k's??

 

ooops

[jjgman21]

hey, putting words in my mouth. not unexpected as that is your MO.

 

That's unnecessary. If you disagree with him, fine, tell him why you do. Don't resort to personal attacks please.

 

goose/gander. I never understand why noone comes to other people's resque when he syas worse to them.

[Banedon]

hey, putting words in my mouth. not unexpected as that is your MO.

 

That's unnecessary. If you disagree with him, fine, tell him why you do. Don't resort to personal attacks please.

 

goose/gander. I never understand why noone comes to other people's resque when he syas worse to them.

 

If you have a problem with the mods, let Tim or 1908 know. Otherwise, no personal attacks.

[goonys evil twin]

hey, putting words in my mouth. not unexpected as that is your MO.

 

what I am saying is not letting him throw more than 45 pitches for a month straight is babying him.

 

How did I put words into your mouth? The Cubs knew Wood needed shoulder surgery last year, yet they kept using him. And now you think they are babying him. He seems to be on the pace that has been talked about most of the spring. Yet you think they are babying him. I don't get it. They overused the guy all the time in the past. They threw him well past reasonable thresholds. They threw him after they realized he needed surgery. And now they are on the pace that everybody has talked about and suddenly it's babying? Your claim doesn't make any sense to me.

[jjgman21]

hey, putting words in my mouth. not unexpected as that is your MO.

 

what I am saying is not letting him throw more than 45 pitches for a month straight is babying him.

 

How did I put words into your mouth? The Cubs knew Wood needed shoulder surgery last year, yet they kept using him. And now you think they are babying him. He seems to be on the pace that has been talked about most of the spring. Yet you think they are babying him. I don't get it. They overused the guy all the time in the past. They threw him well past reasonable thresholds. They threw him after they realized he needed surgery. And now they are on the pace that everybody has talked about and suddenly it's babying? Your claim doesn't make any sense to me.

 

you are putting words into my mouth because the discussion has never been about what happened last summer or other times in the past, only this spring. suddenly you want to interject as if I am defending the past treatment of Kerry Wood, and implying through your "let me get this straight" language that I was.

 

it may not make any sense to you, but it's pretty clear. he has been throwing the same number of pitches for a month. all the ranting you did about holding Prior back in March not being how things are 'normally' handled, but now you can't see how giving a rehabbing pitcher the same workload for a month straight is not babying him.

 

I think this has more to do with your need to argue with me about every little point than anything you actually believe to be true.

[goonys evil twin]

you are putting words into my mouth because the discussion has never been about what happened last summer or other times in the past, only this spring. suddenly you want to interject as if I am defending the past treatment of Kerry Wood, and implying through your "let me get this straight" language that I was.

 

But the very fact that they screwed up so much in the past is why they've had to be more cautious now, and they've said they were going to be this cautious the whole time. The knee thing set him back 11 days. Optimism was looking at early May. That setback puts him at mid-May. He should be in a rehab start relatively soon, at which point you would reasonably expect 1 more start before his return. I don't see that as babying.

 

 

I think this has more to do with your need to argue with me about every little point than anything you actually believe to be true.

 

I just don't get why you feel the need to perpetuate a silly personal battle. I don't look at the names of the people I reply to, I just read a post and reply if I feel like it. I don't know you. I don't care about you. I don't care what you think. If you write something I find interesting, or feel like following up with words like "I agree" or "good point", I'll do that. If you write something I disagree with, I'll respond. Unless I'm in the middle of an ongoing conversation with somebody on here, I rarely realize who exactly I'm talking to. I just read a bunch of "Kerry Wood is being babied" stuff and felt the need to chime in. It has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with the fact that I completely disagree with the sentiment that Wood is being babied through his recovery from shoulder and then knee surgery.

 

If this was Prior, maybe I would agree. But the Wood situation does not equate to babying for me.

[CubbieRich]

Wood has milked this organization long enough. No way this team should consider anything for Wood except a bus ticket out of town next year. No wonder he is being kept away from the team and especially the clubhouse/dugout. The team knows that having the younger players look at such a chronically injured albatross can do nothing but instill the wrong work ethic attitude. Better he throw his funny towel drills and make believe 5 inning games in Arizona, far away from the 'real' players.

 

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly why Wood is rehabbing in Arizona instead of Chicago.

 

The pitching coach is in Chicago. The trainer is in Chicago. The GM is in Chicago. The Mgr. is in Chicago. The Cubs medical staff is in Chicago. There are towels at Wrigley Field. There are 3 mounds to throw off of at Wrigley Field. There is plenty of open land to throw long toss at Wrigley Field.

 

DLee is injured and is back in the dugout...with the team.

 

Stay away, Wood.

[Chocolate Milk]

Wood has milked this organization long enough. No way this team should consider anything for Wood except a bus ticket out of town next year. No wonder he is being kept away from the team and especially the clubhouse/dugout. The team knows that having the younger players look at such a chronically injured albatross can do nothing but instill the wrong work ethic attitude. Better he throw his funny towel drills and make believe 5 inning games in Arizona, far away from the 'real' players.

 

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly why Wood is rehabbing in Arizona instead of Chicago.

 

The pitching coach is in Chicago. The trainer is in Chicago. The GM is in Chicago. The Mgr. is in Chicago. The Cubs medical staff is in Chicago. There are towels at Wrigley Field. There are 3 mounds to throw off of at Wrigley Field. There is plenty of open land to throw long toss at Wrigley Field.

 

DLee is injured and is back in the dugout...with the team.

 

Stay away, Wood.

 

I agree. Wood is the cancer and Arizona is the Chemotherapy.

[Banedon]

The pitching coach is in Chicago. The trainer is in Chicago. The GM is in Chicago. The Mgr. is in Chicago. The Cubs medical staff is in Chicago. There are towels at Wrigley Field. There are 3 mounds to throw off of at Wrigley Field. There is plenty of open land to throw long toss at Wrigley Field.

 

DLee is injured and is back in the dugout...with the team.

 

Stay away, Wood.

 

Did you even read Jon's previous post about the towel throwing, or just deliberately ignore it? DLee has a broken wrist. He's unable to rehab until it heals. You have no idea where he'll be rehabbing when the time comes. Are there plenty of rookie batters for Wood to face at Wrigley, or does Arizona rookie league sound like a more appropriate place?

[sonofsamiam]

I've always found it bizarre that people take their frustration with a team so personally that they appear to hate individual players as people.

 

I'm sure Kerry Wood has never wanted to be hurt, and does not want to be currently rehabbing. And I'm sure the team will welcome him back with open arms when he returns.

[badger1679666666]

Wood has milked this organization long enough. No way this team should consider anything for Wood except a bus ticket out of town next year. No wonder he is being kept away from the team and especially the clubhouse/dugout. The team knows that having the younger players look at such a chronically injured albatross can do nothing but instill the wrong work ethic attitude. Better he throw his funny towel drills and make believe 5 inning games in Arizona, far away from the 'real' players.

 

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly why Wood is rehabbing in Arizona instead of Chicago.

 

The pitching coach is in Chicago. The trainer is in Chicago. The GM is in Chicago. The Mgr. is in Chicago. The Cubs medical staff is in Chicago. There are towels at Wrigley Field. There are 3 mounds to throw off of at Wrigley Field. There is plenty of open land to throw long toss at Wrigley Field.

 

DLee is injured and is back in the dugout...with the team.

 

Stay away, Wood.

 

:lol: (not with you).

 

You are aware of how ridiculous you sound right? Was Sarah Wood your H.S sweetheart? I mean there is zero common sense behind any of your posts.

 

He's rehabbing in Arizona because it's warm there, muscles stay loose. He can pitch to the rookie league. Also he doesn't do the towel drill, but since you're spewing pure imflammatory rhetoric, it doesn't surprise me. All of those people are in Chicago because the team is playing the regular season. You don't think they have another trainer and coach helping him out there? When they went out west Woody was with them in LA.

 

Oh the horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He might contaminate them.

 

DLee isn't rehabbing, he can't pick up a bat even. That's why he's in the dugout. I mean seriously, do you even believe the BS that you type?

[David]

The turn this thread has taken is pure hilarity.

 

CubbieRich's Wood bashing is approaching the ridiculous/legendary levels of ZZ Thorn's Dusty backing...

[Banedon]

I hate to have to keep saying it, but I guess I need to.

 

Please don't make personal attacks.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I hate to have to keep saying it, but I guess I need to.

 

Please don't make personal attacks.

 

You sound like a broken record.[/personal attack]

[jjgman21]

 

But the very fact that they screwed up so much in the past is why they've had to be more cautious now, and they've said they were going to be this cautious the whole time. The knee thing set him back 11 days. Optimism was looking at early May. That setback puts him at mid-May. He should be in a rehab start relatively soon, at which point you would reasonably expect 1 more start before his return. I don't see that as babying.

 

well that's a nice spin, but it doesn't change the fact that they haven't increased his pitch count in a month. you can say the knee thing cost him 11 days, but you'd be wrong. Surgery March 7, played catch the next day, long toss March 10, pitching off the mound on March 12.

 

and if you wanted to make that point, fine. please attempt to refrain from couching it in your sarcastic, condescending "let me get this straight" language and putting words into my mouth.

 

and again, if you think he'll go from 40 pitches to 90-100 in a bullpen session and two minor league rehab starts, that's way out of character for you in terms of optimism.

 

 

 

I just don't get why you feel the need to perpetuate a silly personal battle

 

guess I'm just yet another self annointed martyr.

 

you're just as responsible for it.

[goonys evil twin]

you're just as responsible for it.

 

For what? I didn't even notice who I was responding to until I saw the personal rip at me. I never look at who the writer is, unless the name is really odd and catches my eye or I'm in the middle of a discussion. I can't remember the last topic you and I have even weighed in on at the same time before this.

 

 

 

I didn't put words into your mouth. You can't say somebody put words into your mouth unless they said something like "well, you said.....". I never claimed you said anything other than what you said. And I disagreed with what you said. It's not personal, I just think you're wrong, and not providing a very good defense for your argument.

[Jon]

Wood has milked this organization long enough. No way this team should consider anything for Wood except a bus ticket out of town next year. No wonder he is being kept away from the team and especially the clubhouse/dugout. The team knows that having the younger players look at such a chronically injured albatross can do nothing but instill the wrong work ethic attitude. Better he throw his funny towel drills and make believe 5 inning games in Arizona, far away from the 'real' players.

 

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly why Wood is rehabbing in Arizona instead of Chicago.

 

The pitching coach is in Chicago. The trainer is in Chicago. The GM is in Chicago. The Mgr. is in Chicago. The Cubs medical staff is in Chicago. There are towels at Wrigley Field. There are 3 mounds to throw off of at Wrigley Field. There is plenty of open land to throw long toss at Wrigley Field.

 

DLee is injured and is back in the dugout...with the team.

 

Stay away, Wood.

I don't think I need to point out that Wood would have been unable to pitch to rookies in Mesa while in Chicago or go into the towel drill (again), but Wood was already with the team in LA and Lee is leaving the team so he can go back home. He'll rejoin the team sometime on the next roadtrip. Don't expect him to be with the team much over the next two months, though.

 

Nobody rehabs with just the major league team.

[Jon]

you're just as responsible for it.

 

For what? I didn't even notice who I was responding to until I saw the personal rip at me. I never look at who the writer is, unless the name is really odd and catches my eye or I'm in the middle of a discussion. I can't remember the last topic you and I have even weighed in on at the same time before this.

 

 

 

I didn't put words into your mouth. You can't say somebody put words into your mouth unless they said something like "well, you said.....". I never claimed you said anything other than what you said. And I disagreed with what you said. It's not personal, I just think you're wrong, and not providing a very good defense for your argument.

There have already been two general warnings for personal attacks. The third comes in the form of a suspension.

 

And if either of you think that you didn't do anything wrong, then you shouldn't mind this discussion just coming to an end.

[jjgman21]

I don't advocate doing anything malicious, but I don't think hurrying him along at this point would be malicious. they say they are just building up arm strength at this point, but throwing 40 pitch pen session after 40 pitch pen session, then having 4-5 60 pitch sessions, next it will be 3-4 rehab starts instead of 1-2. at this point it doesn't appear to be building up arm strength, it appears the Cubs are babying a guy who shouldn't be in their future plans anyway. if his arm isn't going to hold up by increasing his pitch count 10-15 pitches each time out, it's not going to hold up.

 

Maybe your recovery from surgery to repair your labrum went a little better.

 

you amaze me. you spout your strict parent morality based rhetoric in rants, but when it comes to Kerry Wood, and basically only Kerry Wood, you're suddenly the empathetic nurturing parent. do you care more about the Cubs winning or the future of Kerry Wood?

 

it occurred to me that I was confused and mistook you for someone else.

 

my apologies.

[NCCubFan]

Reiterating the earlier requests from Banedon and Jon, it is well established that personal attacks are not permitted on this board. They WILL stop. It is possible to disagree with others without being rude about it.

[kroth1342]

everyone needs to

 

STOP

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[KingCubsFan]

everyone needs to

 

STOP

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[badger1679666666]

everyone needs to

 

STOP

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I don't get it.

 

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