3/16 ST Cubs (Hill) vs Angels (Weaver) 2 PM

[mhuber92211]

Who would you guys call up between Hill, Marshall and Guzman if need be? Very tough choice. BTW- Mid 3rd score is tied 5-5

 

I wish Mitre was an option

 

I would rather have the everday leadoff option that we have now instead.

[WrigleyinEngland]

I would have to go with Guzman , he is polished just needs game time. I think he would adapt the best at this point in time.

[C.C.]

I would have to go with Guzman , he is polished just needs game time. I think he would adapt the best at this point in time.

 

I tend to agree with you. I hope he stays healthy finally. We've been waiting for this guy to get healthy for what seems like a decade! :wink:

[Fred Hornkohl]

Tribune Co is up 0.27 at 30.77

Wm Wrigley Co is down 0.94 at 65.97

 

 

I WANT MY CUBS FEED !!! :twisted:

[BeerHere]

Game Day Audio down for you guys?

 

[cubsgonewild]

any updates on the game for those of you with XM?

[BeerHere]

I would have to go with Guzman , he is polished just needs game time. I think he would adapt the best at this point in time.

 

I tend to agree with you. I hope he stays healthy finally. We've been waiting for this guy to get healthy for what seems like a decade! :wink:

 

Guz has been a little wild too this spring and every time I hear anyone within the organization talk about Guzman this year they all say he needs a little time in Iowa.

[goonys evil twin]

any updates on the game for those of you with XM?

 

5-5 bottom 4 2 outs (vladdy just skied out)

[BeerHere]

I like Hill, but at this point he's not taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him. Certainly not through a lack of effort though. I'm still pulling for the kid.

[BeerHere]

1K woo@me!

[Fred Hornkohl]

1K woo@me!

 

You are the man of the hour !!

[goonys evil twin]

I like Hill, but at this point he's not taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him.

 

I don't know how to judge that. Pitching results in the Cactus League are pretty pointless.

[Jehrico]

abuck he isn't 20-21 He has a limit to how long he can be viewed as a legitimate prospect]

 

but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective pitcher. just b/c you can't consider him a prospect doesn't mean that his career is over at 26.

 

How about putting the Hill dillemma in this context...none of us can predicte the future, so all we can do is analyze trends.

 

How many pitchers who were struggling to break into the bigs at 26 that were relatively healthy up to that point wound up having a successful career?

 

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

[goonys evil twin]

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

 

Hendry would be foolish to trade Hill and keep Rusch (unless he got significant value for Hill).

[C.C.]

abuck he isn't 20-21 He has a limit to how long he can be viewed as a legitimate prospect]

 

but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective pitcher. just b/c you can't consider him a prospect doesn't mean that his career is over at 26.

 

How about putting the Hill dillemma in this context...none of us can predicte the future, so all we can do is analyze trends.

 

How many pitchers who were struggling to break into the bigs at 26 that were relatively healthy up to that point wound up having a successful career?

 

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

 

Well I don't think he could really get anything of value for Hill until he shows something. Might as well keep him and see what happens.

[BeerHere]

I like Hill, but at this point he's not taking advantage of the opportunity in front of him.

 

I don't know how to judge that. Pitching results in the Cactus League are pretty pointless.

 

The last thing he needs is to be pushed too aggressively. Which, unfortunately, may happen with our glass rotation. IMO a couple months in Iowa would help his confidence but the big league club may need him to come out of the pen at least until Wood/Prior/Miller are ready. I would rather see Guzman at this point as that is the lesser of two evils to me.

[abuck1220]

abuck he isn't 20-21 He has a limit to how long he can be viewed as a legitimate prospect]

 

but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective pitcher. just b/c you can't consider him a prospect doesn't mean that his career is over at 26.

 

How about putting the Hill dillemma in this context...none of us can predicte the future, so all we can do is analyze trends.

 

How many pitchers who were struggling to break into the bigs at 26 that were relatively healthy up to that point wound up having a successful career?

 

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

 

lots of guys have sucked until they reached 26 only to turn it around. the difference between hill and those guys is that they sucked in the bigs while hill took his lumps in the minors.

[Jehrico]

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

 

Hendry would be foolish to trade Hill and keep Rusch (unless he got significant value for Hill).

 

That's true if Hendry had a trade on the table and the other team declared they would accept either Rusch or Hill in the same deal.

[schutll]

Not that they are in the same class - but Sandy Koufax was a late bloomer that had a fantastic record once he got his control down. You wanted one. I don't recall when he experienced his turn around, but I know it was later than the average player.

[cubsgonewild]

This whole losing the audio feed, does this happen often? Should we expect to get it back?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

lots of guys have sucked until they reached 26 only to turn it around. the difference between hill and those guys is that they sucked in the bigs while hill took his lumps in the minors.

 

Depends on how you define "lots", I guess. I think most are either out of baseball completely by 26 or going on to have absolutely meaningless careers. Those that turn it around after 26 would have to be a rather small number compared to the hole, and that's one of the many reasons I am not a Hill fan.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Not that they are in the same class - but Sandy Koufax was a late bloomer that had a fantastic record once he got his control down. You wanted one. I don't recall when he experienced his turn around, but I know it was later than the average player.

 

Jamie Moyer is another one. As I recall, he was about 30 when he had his first really good season.

[Laura]

This whole losing the audio feed, does this happen often? Should we expect to get it back?

 

It hasn't happened to me often. The other audio feeds I've tried have worked, so it seems to be a problem with just this one. I did submit a customer service ticket through mlb.com.

[goonys evil twin]

How many pitchers who were struggling to break into the bigs at 26 that were relatively healthy up to that point wound up having a successful career?

 

Well, you have to take into account why they were struggling. The Cubs chose to go with Rusch last year even as he got lit up and Hill was fine. Speaking of Rusch, Glendon was in the league earlier, but sucked big time. At 26 he had an ERA around 5.80, but had been given chance after chance. He then had a couple mediocre years before declining. Likewise, Moyer was given a shot before 26, but he sucked in that extended time. At 26 he started to get better. Hill is struggling to get into the majors because the Cubs have decided to go with other pitchers. Kenny Rogers came in at 25, but was a reliever for 2 years. He was struggling to crack a rotation into his late 20s. Jon Lieber was given some time at 24 and 25, but he wasn't given a full season as a starter until 27.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance to struggle into the majors, which is something countless pitchers did in their mid 20's.

[Jehrico]

abuck he isn't 20-21 He has a limit to how long he can be viewed as a legitimate prospect]

 

but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective pitcher. just b/c you can't consider him a prospect doesn't mean that his career is over at 26.

 

How about putting the Hill dillemma in this context...none of us can predicte the future, so all we can do is analyze trends.

 

How many pitchers who were struggling to break into the bigs at 26 that were relatively healthy up to that point wound up having a successful career?

 

None come to mind. I'm not counting on Hill ever contributing anything to this organization. Doesn't mean he won't, but Hendry would be foolish not to trade him if an opportunity came along to trade him for a need.

 

lots of guys have sucked until they reached 26 only to turn it around. the difference between hill and those guys is that they sucked in the bigs while hill took his lumps in the minors.

 

Maybe, but those guys that turned it around aren't in the same group as Hill. They were at least able to prove they had something to offer in the bigs while Hill has been blocked the last three years by guys like Rusch, Estes or others, while guys like Leicester, Wellemeyer, Wuertz, and others have gotten a shot. The Cubs have given plenty of young guys shots in various roles the last few years, to the argument that he's been "blocked" really isn't legitimate either. Hill should be compared to other guys who were struggling to make the majors at 26 who had clean bills of health. The prognosis isn't good.