Couldn't bring myself to do it yet

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Waaaaa wwwaaaaaaaa wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

A baseball team isn't for October, it's for life.

 

hahaha

 

I have to say Diffusion is the last person I would expect to make this type of post.

[fulldeck]

 

Game 6 ruined everything. And I never, ever, ever blamed Bartman for anything. He's just part of the mythos. It was all Gonzalez.

 

 

I'm surprised no one in this thread has blamed Alou for blowing his top and unnecessarily freaking out at Bartman. That, in my opinion, was the act that caused the entire Cubs team to lose its focus. Gonzales then booted the ball, Prior's concentration broke, and we all know the outcome.

 

Dang you, Moises.

 

I totally agree with you on this.

 

(This coming from Cards fan who was openly rooting for the Cubs by game 6.)

[cubbieinexile]

Good post! I'm a Cubs fan for life no matter what! I hear about these quiters every year as a Cubs fan and I pay them no attention because these aren't true Cubs fans. I'm a Cubs fan and proud of it! When we do win it all I'd rather be with the true fans who stuck by them and party it up with them, then these bandwagon jumper fans. Cubs are in my blood! Can't do anything about it. BASEBALL IS LIFE!

 

No matter what? So if they move to Vegas are you a Vegas Cub fan? What have the Cubs done to earn your lifelong devotion? I'm betting it isn't anything they have done but something either your family has done or geography has done. Nor would I think you would be allowed to party up with "them" when it came time to celebrate. Sure you could bask in their glow but you would be on outside looking in..

[Careless]

Good post! I'm a Cubs fan for life no matter what! I hear about these quiters every year as a Cubs fan and I pay them no attention because these aren't true Cubs fans. I'm a Cubs fan and proud of it! When we do win it all I'd rather be with the true fans who stuck by them and party it up with them, then these bandwagon jumper fans. Cubs are in my blood! Can't do anything about it. BASEBALL IS LIFE!

 

No matter what? So if they move to Vegas are you a Vegas Cub fan? What have the Cubs done to earn your lifelong devotion? I'm betting it isn't anything they have done but something either your family has done or geography has done. Nor would I think you would be allowed to party up with "them" when it came time to celebrate. Sure you could bask in their glow but you would be on outside looking in..

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

[Soul]

A baseball team is definitely for life. I can't even understand people who have changed teams, or are able to root for more than one team with all their heart. It's like they are from another planet.

 

There's no going back. We are made to suffer. We are Cub fans.

[1908]

No matter what? So if they move to Vegas are you a Vegas Cub fan? What have the Cubs done to earn your lifelong devotion? I'm betting it isn't anything they have done but something either your family has done or geography has done. Nor would I think you would be allowed to party up with "them" when it came time to celebrate. Sure you could bask in their glow but you would be on outside looking in..

I'm sure you could throw out some incredibly unlikely circumstances that would make me consider rooting for an MLB team besides the Cubs, like them moving away from the Chicago metropolitan area, but I'm all but certain to be a Cubs fan for life.

[cubbieinexile]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

Most people are Cub fans because of their family or geography. Without contacting gallup I would say that is a fact. If one does a study of fandom one would see a huge concentration of fans in and around Chicago with outposts throughout the midwest. If you lived in say Iowa and liked baseball you were going to be a Cubs fan the majority of the time. If you were born in and around Chicago you were going to be either a Cubs fan or a Sox fan. If your dad, favorite relative, or person who left the strongest mark on you was a Cubs fan then chances are you will be a Cubs fan. Most fans do not actually make conscious fully formed decision on which team they will root for for the rest of their life. You choose a team when you are 6 and thats your team for the rest of your life. Kind of odd to me, I mean how many of us would be firemen or failed astronauts if we had to stick with every decision we made when we were 6?

[Careless]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

Most people are Cub fans because of their family or geography. Without contacting gallup I would say that is a fact. If one does a study of fandom one would see a huge concentration of fans in and around Chicago with outposts throughout the midwest. If you lived in say Iowa and liked baseball you were going to be a Cubs fan the majority of the time. If you were born in and around Chicago you were going to be either a Cubs fan or a Sox fan. If your dad, favorite relative, or person who left the strongest mark on you was a Cubs fan then chances are you will be a Cubs fan. Most fans do not actually make conscious fully formed decision on which team they will root for for the rest of their life. You choose a team when you are 6 and thats your team for the rest of your life. Kind of odd to me, I mean how many of us would be firemen or failed astronauts if we had to stick with every decision we made when we were 6?

First paragraph: wrong. Second one: my point exactly. Not sure how you managed that. People don't tend to change either one just because they move, though they're more pliable with sports teams than religions

[C.C.]

You choose a team when you are 6 and thats your team for the rest of your life. Kind of odd to me, I mean how many of us would be firemen or failed astronauts if we had to stick with every decision we made when we were 6?

 

What are you saying? Don't you think that if I could change my favorite team I would pick some team like the Yankees? I can't because this team is my team. For better or worse I love this team...If you don't understand it you aren't a fan. I can't explain it to you any other way. I'm a Bears and Bulls fan but honestly I don't get emtionally attached as I do with the Cubs. I'm a casual fan all other sports except baseball.

[Andy]

I converted from being a Braves fan in 1999, a couple years after I moved from South Carolina to Indiana, because I felt a closer bond with the Cubs. My parents didn't pass down to me any teams besides Notre Dame, so I had to make my own hay everywhere else.

[badger1679666666]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

[Andy]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

I was born into religion and I don't feel all that feeble-minded about it.

[cubbieinexile]

What are you saying? Don't you think that if I could change my favorite team I would pick some team like the Yankees? I can't because this team is my team. For better or worse I love this team...If you don't understand it you aren't a fan. I can't explain it to you any other way. I'm a Bears and Bulls fan but honestly I don't get emtionally attached as I do with the Cubs. I'm a casual fan all other sports except baseball.

 

Where were you born and raised? Do you think you would be a Cubs fan if you were born and raised in Seattle? How and when did you become a Cubs fan?

[cubbieinexile]

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

 

You must live in a very specialized area of the country because most people are of the religion that their parents were. So I'm not very wrong but very right. This really even isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of facts.

[cubbieinexile]

First paragraph: wrong. Second one: my point exactly. Not sure how you managed that. People don't tend to change either one just because they move, though they're more pliable with sports teams than religions

 

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I'm not saying you become a fan of a new team when you move. But you become a fan of the team that you grew up on. The team you had no choice in the matter of picking it. It was the local team it was the team you could see and follow. How many born and raised Chicagoans become Angels fans? How many become Cubs or Sox fans? Do you think its pure luck that the vast majority of them become Cubs and Sox fans? Do you think there is no correlation to proximity of team and fandom?

 

This has nothing to do with moving and picking a new team or religion.

[badger1679666666]

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

 

You must live in a very specialized area of the country because most people are of the religion that their parents were. So I'm not very wrong but very right. This really even isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of facts.

 

They may be influenced to be so, but the "choice is not made for them". Religious actualization is a very complicated process. Sure your parents can make you go to church when you are young, but when you hit young adulthood most people face the decision of consciously choosing their path of faith to follow. The choice is not MADE FOR THEM. So actually I'm very right. Many people say my parents "blah blah" but i am "blah blah" and that doesn't happen until young adulthood, but it is VERY MUCH a choice.

[badger1679666666]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

I was born into religion and I don't feel all that feeble-minded about it.

 

You never looked at the religion at some point in your life and said "yes, this is what I want to follow"? You just followed it blindly? You never made a conscious choice regarding your faith?

[Andy]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

I was born into religion and I don't feel all that feeble-minded about it.

 

You never looked at the religion at some point in your life and said "yes, this is what I want to follow"? You just followed it blindly? You never made a conscious choice regarding your faith?

Yes, I did look at my religion and decide that's what I wanted to follow. That was my point. That many people are born into religion but ultimately decide that it is the path they want anyway and are not at all "feeble-minded" about it.

[badger1679666666]

Yes, I did look at my religion and decide that's what I wanted to follow. That was my point. That many people are born into religion but ultimately decide that it is the path they want anyway and are not at all "feeble-minded" about it.

 

My quote about feeble minded was about those that follow a religion, with no refliection, questioning or analysis. My point was that people DO choose their religious path, and of course parental influences are the strongest.

 

One could argue that just because a kid is taken to church every week doesn't make him that "religion" because he truly doesn't understand the tenents of what he's following, until he analyzes it, questions it, and then agrees or disagrees with it.

 

My whole point was to CubbieChris who said people are born into their religion they don't choose it. They most certainly "choose" it at some point in their life, they are born into an "influence" of it.

 

Did I clear that up?

[jjgman21]

 

Seconded, Moises is an emotional guy, and make no mistake, that was fan interference, so he was justifiably upset. But Gonzo's error should be the focus of that collapse.

 

I was not hanging around here back then. I thought I was the only one that figured out that it was anatomically impossible for Alou to be under the ball like he was and the ball on the other side of the railing and anatomically unnecessary for Bartman and other fans to reach in the way they did to get to a ball that was not in the field of play.

 

another aspect of this in that case is that Gonzo is not hurrying to turn a dp, which he was due to the umpires bad call, and he make the play.

 

I always thought Prior went too blameless in that game.

[Andy]

Yes, I did look at my religion and decide that's what I wanted to follow. That was my point. That many people are born into religion but ultimately decide that it is the path they want anyway and are not at all "feeble-minded" about it.

 

My quote about feeble minded was about those that follow a religion, with no refliection, questioning or analysis. My point was that people DO choose their religious path, and of course parental influences are the strongest.

 

One could argue that just because a kid is taken to church every week doesn't make him that "religion" because he truly doesn't understand the tenents of what he's following, until he analyzes it, questions it, and then agrees or disagrees with it.

 

My whole point was to CubbieChris who said people are born into their religion they don't choose it. They most certainly "choose" it at some point in their life, they are born into an "influence" of it.

 

Did I clear that up?

Yep, point is made. :D

[jjgman21]

People don't tend to change either one just because they move, though they're more pliable with sports teams than religions

 

funny you bring up moving. Kerry Wood's 19 K game was the final reason I needed to decide to transfer law schools from the west coast to Chicago. my mind was pretty much made up, but that was the final nail in the coffin.

[Careless]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

'

The fact that 99%+ of people are born into their religion renders your claim ludicrous

[Careless]

First paragraph: wrong. Second one: my point exactly. Not sure how you managed that. People don't tend to change either one just because they move, though they're more pliable with sports teams than religions

 

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I'm not saying you become a fan of a new team when you move. But you become a fan of the team that you grew up on. The team you had no choice in the matter of picking it. It was the local team it was the team you could see and follow. How many born and raised Chicagoans become Angels fans? How many become Cubs or Sox fans? Do you think its pure luck that the vast majority of them become Cubs and Sox fans? Do you think there is no correlation to proximity of team and fandom?

 

This has nothing to do with moving and picking a new team or religion.

this has everything to do with you saying you feel like you might wind up picking a new one and asking how people can continue to remain cubs fans after leaving town

[badger1679666666]

And yet you'd say nothing if he moved to, say, India and remained (presumably) a Christian

Accidents of birth result in extremely strong emotional bonds.

 

Not even sure of what this means. I guess you are saying that Baseball is as important as religion. Or that by moving to India one should change religions, which isn't my point. My point is the exact opposite. You are a christian because you were born in America to a chritian family. you didn't choose to become christian, somebody else did that for you.

 

 

Actually you are very wrong. Some people with feeble minds are born into religion and don't question it, but for most of the people I know, they came to their religious actualization on their own. They choose to be Hindu, or Bhuddist or Catholic, or Lutheran, or whatever. Nobody else did it for them.

'

The fact that 99%+ of people are born into their religion renders your claim ludicrous

 

Did you READ my explanation? I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by born into, and what I mean by choice.

 

I'm BORN into being Indian, I'm not born into being Hindu. My parents were Hindu, and took me to the temple, and I might have followed that as a kid, but when I was in college I made conscious decisions about what I wanted to be. I had CHOICE.