3/13 WBC: USA (Willis) vs Korea (Son) 9pm CT

[stitchface]

Not playing Lee for the second day in a row when you've already won the first game, and especially when MARK TEIXEIRA is the man replacing him, is hardly a travesty. I'd be more worried about Chipper at 3rd with A-Rod DHing than Lee playing every last inning.

 

I disagree - in an eight game tourney you play who is hot. this is no marathon - teixeira will have a nice season but he is not good right now.

 

From what I read, the US needs to beat Mexico AND have Japan lose again to advance. Not sure I understand that since I thought head to head was the first tiebreaker. maybe that's to be certain of advancing.

[jjgman21]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

[Laura]

From what I read, the US needs to beat Mexico AND have Japan lose again to advance. Not sure I understand that since I thought head to head was the first tiebreaker. maybe that's to be certain of advancing.

 

I was confused by that, but thinking it through, if Japan were to beat Mexico tonight and Korea tomorrow (and the U.S. beats Mexico Thursday) you'd have a 3-way 2W-1L tie with this scenario:

 

Japan beat Korea, Japan would advance.

Korea beat the U.S., Korea would advance.

The U.S. beat Japan, the U.S. would advance.

 

So you'd move to the second tiebreaker, which is

 

* The tied teams shall be ranked in the standings for that Round according to fewest runs allowed divided by the number of innings (including partial innings) played in defense in the games in that Round between the teams tied.

 

The U.S. has already given up 10 runs vs. Japan and Korea.

 

So it would be best for the U.S. if Mexico were to win tonight, then lose Thursday to the U.S.

 

If Japan beats Mexico but loses to Korea ... and if the U.S. loses to Mexico ... then it would seem to get very interesting:

 

Korea: 3-0 advances

 

Japan: 1-2 (losses to Korea, US) runs allowed to U.S.: 4

Mexico: 1-2 (losses to Korea, Japan)

U.S.: 1-2 (losses to Korea, Mexico) runs allowed to Japan: 3

 

Think that call vs Japan might get even more scrutiny then?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

From what I read, the US needs to beat Mexico AND have Japan lose again to advance. Not sure I understand that since I thought head to head was the first tiebreaker. maybe that's to be certain of advancing.

 

I was confused by that, but thinking it through, if Japan were to beat Mexico tonight and Korea tomorrow (and the U.S. beats Mexico Thursday) you'd have a 3-way 2W-1L tie with this scenario:

 

Japan beat Korea, Japan would advance.

Korea beat the U.S., Korea would advance.

The U.S. beat Japan, the U.S. would advance.

 

So you'd move to the second tiebreaker, which is

 

* The tied teams shall be ranked in the standings for that Round according to fewest runs allowed divided by the number of innings (including partial innings) played in defense in the games in that Round between the teams tied.

 

The U.S. has already given up 10 runs vs. Japan and Korea.

 

So it would be best for the U.S. if Mexico were to win tonight, then lose Thursday to the U.S.

 

If Japan beats Mexico but loses to Korea ... and if the U.S. loses to Mexico ... then it would seem to get very interesting:

 

Korea: 3-0 advances

 

Japan: 1-2 (losses to Korea, US) runs allowed to U.S.: 4

Mexico: 1-2 (losses to Korea, Japan)

U.S.: 1-2 (losses to Korea, Mexico) runs allowed to Japan: 3

 

Think that call vs Japan might get even more scrutiny then?

 

My brain hurts.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

Come on. If Teixeira and Lee reversed their production thus far, would you want Lee benched for the rest of the classic? Teixeira's one of the best hitters in the game, a poor 12 at bats doesn't change that one bit.

[wekse]

am i the only one who wants the US and Venezuela to lose? i want DLee, Barrett, Carlos and Blanco back plz.

[jjgman21]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

it doesn't really matter how insistant or outraged people are or the stakes involved. there are obligations to follow. if you don't like it, I guess the WBC isn't for you, because inevitably these situations are going to arise.

 

if a player is benched because he is not performing, teams will start to not allow their players to go to the WBC because they aren't getting the work they need this time of year. that happens, you create a slippery slope, where no team will allow their best to go to the WBC. suddenly, no WBC.

 

and I have no idea what "didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition" means. I'm reminded of Bobby Knight questioning what it means for a team to come "with their game face on."

[jjgman21]

am i the only one who wants the US and Venezuela to lose? i want DLee, Barrett, Carlos and Blanco back plz.

 

I was rooting for Puerto Rico just last night (after the fifth inning). I'd rather have them back too.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

it doesn't really matter how insistant or outraged people are or the stakes involved. there are obligations to follow. if you don't like it, I guess the WBC isn't for you, because inevitably these situations are going to arise.

 

if a player is benched because he is not performing, teams will start to not allow their players to go to the WBC because they aren't getting the work they need this time of year. that happens, you create a slippery slope, where no team will allow their best to go to the WBC. suddenly, no WBC.

 

and I have no idea what "didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition" means. I'm reminded of Bobby Knight questioning what it means for a team to come "with their game face on."

 

It's not about being outraged. The best player should play. Tex can get his work in off the field. 11 ABs isn't "getting his work in" anyway.

 

Slippery slope? Please tell me you didn't just use the most invalid argument on the planet.

 

Have you seen Teixeira's ABs? They've been horrible. It's not like he's just missing, or is the victim of bad luck. He's sucked.

 

His D has been poor as well, so I'm not sure what he's doing playing 1B instead of DHing.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

Come on. If Teixeira and Lee reversed their production thus far, would you want Lee benched for the rest of the classic? Teixeira's one of the best hitters in the game, a poor 12 at bats doesn't change that one bit.

 

If DLee looked that bad in the field and at bat, yes, I would want him benched. Tex may be one of the best hitters in the game from about May/June on (a notorious slow starter). Too bad this is March. This wasn't unexpected.

[Tim]

I'm interested in seeing if Dontrelle's 40 IP jump from 2004 to 2005 is going to have an adverse affect on his performance this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

Come on. If Teixeira and Lee reversed their production thus far, would you want Lee benched for the rest of the classic? Teixeira's one of the best hitters in the game, a poor 12 at bats doesn't change that one bit.

 

If DLee looked that bad in the field and at bat, yes, I would want him benched. Tex may be one of the best hitters in the game from about May/June on (a notorious slow starter). Too bad this is March. This wasn't unexpected.

 

He's played 1 game this round, it's not like Lee is rotting away. He played 2 last round, 1 at DH, and since Chipper was hitting he lost that. Do you think that Tex is going to be starting at 1B in an elimination game?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

Come on. If Teixeira and Lee reversed their production thus far, would you want Lee benched for the rest of the classic? Teixeira's one of the best hitters in the game, a poor 12 at bats doesn't change that one bit.

 

If DLee looked that bad in the field and at bat, yes, I would want him benched. Tex may be one of the best hitters in the game from about May/June on (a notorious slow starter). Too bad this is March. This wasn't unexpected.

 

He's played 1 game this round, it's not like Lee is rotting away. He played 2 last round, 1 at DH, and since Chipper was hitting he lost that. Do you think that Tex is going to be starting at 1B in an elimination game?

 

Would we be facing an elimination game if the hottest players played?

[YearofDaCubs]

Dontrelle hasn't pitched that great when he has started.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

many here seem to be forgetting that the owners were all promised that the players they send to the WBC will get their work in so they are ready to go for openning day. Martinez has an obligation to get Tex some starts, and to leave Willis in even though he was wild.

 

yes, Willis stunk, bet we'd all probably scream bloody murder if Soho yanked Z after 40 pitches, no matter how good or bad he was doing, as we would all be po'd if Veritek got all the ABs at catcher.

 

Let them take extra BP or pitch a sim game. This isn't Little League.

 

Yes, Willis and Tex deserved their playing time...in round 1. They obviously didn't come to the WBC prepared for competition.

 

Come on. If Teixeira and Lee reversed their production thus far, would you want Lee benched for the rest of the classic? Teixeira's one of the best hitters in the game, a poor 12 at bats doesn't change that one bit.

 

If DLee looked that bad in the field and at bat, yes, I would want him benched. Tex may be one of the best hitters in the game from about May/June on (a notorious slow starter). Too bad this is March. This wasn't unexpected.

 

He's played 1 game this round, it's not like Lee is rotting away. He played 2 last round, 1 at DH, and since Chipper was hitting he lost that. Do you think that Tex is going to be starting at 1B in an elimination game?

 

Would we be facing an elimination game if the hottest players played?

 

You think the difference between Teixeira and Lee would've made 7 runs difference last night? I was talking about the next round with the elimination comment.

[jjgman21]

 

Slippery slope? Please tell me you didn't just use the most invalid argument on the planet.

 

 

please don't tell me you honestly think that teams won't start pulling their players from the WBC if they think the interests of preparing players for the regular season are not being served, vis a vis lack of playing time in the WBC. maybe teams will start letting players stay home from ST all together, as long as they're doing some pitching and hitting on the side.

 

and once one team holds someone back for this reason, please don't tell me you honestly think that other teams won't follow suit and hold back their players.

 

you're bold invalidation of the "slippery slope" argument notwithstanding, that is exactly what teams would do.

[jjgman21]

I'm interested in seeing if Dontrelle's 40 IP jump from 2004 to 2005 is going to have an adverse affect on his performance this year.

 

I'm intested in seeing if Chris Carpenter's 70+ additional innings from 2004-2005 has any adverse affect in his performance this year. unfortunately, he hasn't shown any, while Dontrelle looks worse than I've ever seen him.

[1908]

 

Slippery slope? Please tell me you didn't just use the most invalid argument on the planet.

 

 

please don't tell me you honestly think that teams won't start pulling their players from the WBC if they think the interests of preparing players for the regular season are not being served, vis a vis lack of playing time in the WBC. maybe teams will start letting players stay home from ST all together, as long as they're doing some pitching and hitting on the side.

 

and once one team holds someone back for this reason, please don't tell me you honestly think that other teams won't follow suit and hold back their players.

 

you're bold invalidation of the "slippery slope" argument notwithstanding, that is exactly what teams would do.

Teams can pull players from the WBC? I'm sure they can pressure players, but I doubt they can outright pull them. If they have that authority, why is George letting Jeter, Arod and Bernie play at all?