Corey Pat first overall pick!!!

[SAMMYWHO]

Thought this link was interesting. Worst players that get regular playing time. Neifi, Jacque and Mabry also were picked. Burnitz, Sammy and Nomar were some of the ex Cubs.

Check it out.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/fantasy/story/9265254

[Fred Hornkohl]

Imagine that. Nine shortstops picked ahead of Neifi Perez ? :shock:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think that scoring system tells you a lot about the misconceptions about the strikeout from the hitter's perspective.

[treebird]

I think that scoring system tells you a lot about the misconceptions about the strikeout from the hitter's perspective.

 

i was thinking the same thing. outs would've been a lot better stat to use.

[soccer10k]

I think Mabry should have been picked before Neifi i.e. Mabry is worse. Neifi's not great, but he's better than Mabry is.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think Mabry should have been picked before Neifi i.e. Mabry is worse. Neifi's not great, but he's better than Mabry is.

 

Considering that this doesn't count defense, how did you figure that Neifi is better than Mabry/anyone?

[soccer10k]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

[soccer10k]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

 

Don't you think there's a reason Mabry only got 246 AB's last year while Neifi got 572? And don't say because Nomar got hurt because the Cubs could have traded for somebody else if they thought Neifi was so horrible.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

 

Don't you think there's a reason Mabry only got 246 AB's last year while Neifi got 572? And don't say because Nomar got hurt because the Cubs could have traded for somebody else if they thought Neifi was so horrible.

 

Going by their bogus criteria, Mabry should be "drafted" higher in theory. However, since Neifi will have much more opportunity to earn points because of extra playing time, he's worth more in their ridiculous league.

 

Outside of their crazy system, Mabry is the better offensive player.

[soccer10k]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

 

Don't you think there's a reason Mabry only got 246 AB's last year while Neifi got 572? And don't say because Nomar got hurt because the Cubs could have traded for somebody else if they thought Neifi was so horrible.

 

Going by their bogus criteria, Mabry should be "drafted" higher in theory. However, since Neifi will have much more opportunity to earn points because of extra playing time, he's worth more in their ridiculous league.

 

Outside of their crazy system, Mabry is the better offensive player.

 

How on earth is Mabry a better hitter?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

 

Don't you think there's a reason Mabry only got 246 AB's last year while Neifi got 572? And don't say because Nomar got hurt because the Cubs could have traded for somebody else if they thought Neifi was so horrible.

 

Going by their bogus criteria, Mabry should be "drafted" higher in theory. However, since Neifi will have much more opportunity to earn points because of extra playing time, he's worth more in their ridiculous league.

 

Outside of their crazy system, Mabry is the better offensive player.

 

How on earth is Mabry a better hitter?

 

He gets on base more(last year was a minor exception), and he hits for more extra bases.

[soccer10k]

Neifi hit .274 last year and only 47 strikeouts in 572 AB's while Mabry hit .240 with 63 strikeouts in 246 AB's. Let's see Neifi has a higher batting average and less strikeouts even though he had twice the number of at bats as Mabry did. Good enough for you?

 

Oh, you were talking about their cockamamie system. Yeah, I guess Mabry would be worse going by that.

 

EDIT: Remember that playing time was part of their criteria. Twice as many AB's for Neifi means twice the opportunity to suck and get points.

 

Don't you think there's a reason Mabry only got 246 AB's last year while Neifi got 572? And don't say because Nomar got hurt because the Cubs could have traded for somebody else if they thought Neifi was so horrible.

 

Going by their bogus criteria, Mabry should be "drafted" higher in theory. However, since Neifi will have much more opportunity to earn points because of extra playing time, he's worth more in their ridiculous league.

 

Outside of their crazy system, Mabry is the better offensive player.

 

How on earth is Mabry a better hitter?

 

He gets on base more(last year was a minor exception), and he hits for more extra bases.

 

Mabry hasn't had more than 250 at bats in a season since 1999. Neifi lowest in that span is 328 in 2003. If Mabry's so good why isn't he playing every day? Because he sucks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How on earth is Mabry a better hitter?

 

He gets on base more(last year was a minor exception), and he hits for more extra bases.

 

Mabry hasn't had more than 250 at bats in a season since 1999. Neifi lowest in that span is 328 in 2003. If Mabry's so good why isn't he playing every day? Because he sucks.

 

So, how good a player is, is determined by how much they play? Was Patterson any good last year because he got a bunch of at bats? Of course not. Your pal Farnsworth throws bunches of innings every year, more than most relief pitchers. You don't seem to think he's worthwhile. MLB is littered with terrible players getting more playing time than they deserve because of inept management. Playing time doesn't determine value, performance does.

[soccer10k]

How on earth is Mabry a better hitter?

 

He gets on base more(last year was a minor exception), and he hits for more extra bases.

 

Mabry hasn't had more than 250 at bats in a season since 1999. Neifi lowest in that span is 328 in 2003. If Mabry's so good why isn't he playing every day? Because he sucks.

 

So, how good a player is, is determined by how much they play? Was Patterson any good last year because he got a bunch of at bats? Of course not. Your pal Farnsworth throws bunches of innings every year, more than most relief pitchers. You don't seem to think he's worthwhile. MLB is littered with terrible players getting more playing time than they deserve because of inept management. Playing time doesn't determine value, performance does.

 

And Mabry hasn't played well enough to earn more playing time. Neifi has. He played a majority of a season for 4 different teams. Yes I know two were the Rockies and the Royals but he played for the Giants post Dusty and for the Cubs. Wouldn't you think that somebody would have traded for Mabry already to have him play full time?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And Mabry hasn't played well enough to earn more playing time. Neifi has.

 

How do you figure? I've already shown you that Mabry is the better offensive player.

[soccer10k]

And Mabry hasn't played well enough to earn more playing time. Neifi has.

 

How do you figure? I've already shown you that Mabry is the better offensive player.

 

You haven't shown me anything. You've just said what you think and haven't backed it up one bit.

[jjgman21]

And Mabry hasn't played well enough to earn more playing time. Neifi has.

 

How do you figure? I've already shown you that Mabry is the better offensive player.

 

You haven't shown me anything. You've just said what you think and haven't backed it up one bit.

 

soccer10k, everybody here knows that I am skeptical of alot of the arguments the 'statheads' make, but Mabry is a much better hitter. just because Neifi gets more playing time doesn't mean he should have it. Neifi was released in August 2004. by your logic, doesn't that mean he doesn't deserve to be in the big leagues? Macias got nearly 200 plate apperances last year, he deserved zero. Felix Heredia still hangs on in the major leagues even though he sucked from day one.

 

as Tiger stated, Mabry gets on base at a better clip and hits for more power. there's no denying it, and there's little denying those are the two most important aspects of offense in baseball.

[soccer10k]

I'm just going to end this debate right now. Debating who is the worse baseball player is like debating whether Nazi Germany was worse than Communist USSR. They were both ungodly bad and lets just leave it at that.

[frostwyrm]

The rating system is idiotic. For hitters they are using junk like runs scored, RBIs, and strikeouts, and they totally overvalue stolen bases.

 

For pitchers they heavily weight wins and saves. Nuff said.

[Gunned]

I'm just going to end this debate right now. Debating who is the worse baseball player is like debating whether Nazi Germany was worse than Communist USSR. They were both ungodly bad and lets just leave it at that.

 

Well, no, it's not really like that. Nazi Germany was definitely worse, and would be a top-5 pick in the Bizarro Fantasy Government draft.

 

And also, Mabry doesn't get as much playing time as Neifi because it's a lot easier to find random corner outfielders than middle infielders.

[frostwyrm]

I'm just going to end this debate right now. Debating who is the worse baseball player is like debating whether Nazi Germany was worse than Communist USSR. They were both ungodly bad and lets just leave it at that.

 

Well, no, it's not really like that. Nazi Germany was definitely worse, and would be a top-5 pick in the Bizarro Fantasy Government draft.

 

And also, Mabry doesn't get as much playing time as Neifi because it's a lot easier to find random corner outfielders than middle infielders.

 

No, the USSR under Stalin was way worse than Nazi Germany, but that's another topic.

[imb]

The rating system is idiotic. For hitters they are using junk like runs scored, RBIs, and strikeouts, and they totally overvalue stolen bases.

 

For pitchers they heavily weight wins and saves. Nuff said.

 

It's a fantasy article, theyre using the 5x5 stats

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I'm sorry is someone actually defending the pile of crap that is Neifi Perez?

 

The guy was the worst player in baseball for a while, and probably has been passed only by Christian Guzman (if even).

[NCCubFan]

Worst players that get regular playing time.

In other words, a list of ideal players to pick for Hacking Mass. :D