WFT?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I have to say, this "caveat" garbage is some of the weakest gambling I've seen in my life. You don't make bets about production but then say it doesn't count if the guy's season is injury marred. What if he is a little banged up, but healthy enough to play, and is held out anyway because he sucks? What if he's really hurt, but plays almost everyday anyway?

 

Suck it up and place your bets, don't look for escape hatches.

 

In fairness, I included the injury caveat when I first proposed the bet. Also, if Spivey doesn't play, that doesn't count as an injury. And unlike Vance's bet, mine only refers to Spivey, it doesn't include any other player at 2nd. I don't see what's so "weak" about this bet.

 

Vance, do I owe you a hat if Spivey is released outright or traded (could be a very realistic possibility) or is the bet off?

 

If he's released, I would then say that the Cubs group is more productive. If traded, we could see what he does for the new team.

 

I'm not a stickler for rules though. And I'm not going to harass you for a hat, so you decide.

[wolf stansson]

To be fair there aren't any great choices of the Cards 2 spot.

Very true. As bad an idea as this sounds, its (right now) their best option.

[brinoch]

To be fair there aren't any great choices of the Cards 2 spot.

Very true. As bad an idea as this sounds, its (right now) their best option.

 

I'd bat Rolen second.

[indifferent]

To be fair there aren't any great choices of the Cards 2 spot.

Very true. As bad an idea as this sounds, its (right now) their best option.

 

I'd bat Rolen second.

 

Best idea I've heard all day. I have no problems with Edmonds batting 4th and Encarnacion batting 5th if it means Rolen batting 2nd.

 

Not to mention, it's a good way back for a guy that is still recovering his power/shoulder strength.

[indifferent]

Vance, a new lid's coming your way.

 

Spivey's all but been released (especially if he doesn't accept assignment to AAA).

[indifferent]

Vance, a new lid's coming your way.

 

Spivey's all but been released (especially if he doesn't accept assignment to AAA).

[Brian34Cook]

Spivey is out, Luna is in

BY DERRICK GOOLD and JOE STRAUSS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/02/2006

 

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/spivey155tothrow032906.jpg

 

PHILADELPHIA -- After a spring training that spiraled from worrisome to a bonafide concern, Cardinals second baseman Junior Spivey will not join the club for opening day and a roster move will be made Monday that determines his future with the club.

 

Spivey remained behind in St. Louis on Sunday and had his achy shoulder checked out. General manager Walt Jocketty said Sunday evening the determination was made that Spivey would not need to start the season on the disabled list.

 

That left Jocketty with a move to make.

 

``I don't think anything will happen before (Monday),'' Jocketty said after the team arrived in Philadelphia. ``We are going to address the roster then. There are people we have to add to the roster. We do have to remove a person, and we have some administering to do for the roster.''

 

[More in URL]

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Vance, a new lid's coming your way.

 

Spivey's all but been released (especially if he doesn't accept assignment to AAA).

 

:cheers:

[XZero771679666304]

Vance, a new lid's coming your way.

 

Spivey's all but been released (especially if he doesn't accept assignment to AAA).

 

Hey, the Cubs should pick him up. You can never have enough second basemen.

[wolf stansson]

Encarnacion starts out with a K and a groundout. BRINGING THE DAMAGE!

[wolf stansson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

[snoodmonger]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

 

interesting stuff

[wolf stansson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

 

interesting stuff

Especially considering the amount of fan bickering about batting order. Sammy in '04 comes to mind. I am surprised that something that is so accepted as important and made a big deal about can actually mean so little.

[snoodmonger]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

 

interesting stuff

Especially considering the amount of fan bickering about batting order. Sammy in '04 comes to mind. I am surprised that something that is so accepted as important and made a big deal about can actually mean so little.

 

Yeah, I am, too. I wonder how many baseball people (coaches, managers, GMs) know about this. And I wonder if there's a large contingent who reject it, despite the evidence.

[K-Town]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

 

interesting stuff

Especially considering the amount of fan bickering about batting order. Sammy in '04 comes to mind. I am surprised that something that is so accepted as important and made a big deal about can actually mean so little.

 

Yeah, I am, too. I wonder how many baseball people (coaches, managers, GMs) know about this. And I wonder if there's a large contingent who reject it, despite the evidence.

 

It's not a matter of rejecting the evidence. I doubt if most managers spend hours working on their lineup, but you don't honestly expect managers to pick names out of a hat to put their lineup together, do you?

[wolf stansson]

you don't honestly expect managers to pick names out of a hat to put their lineup together, do you?

When did anybody say that? You ask like somebody said that.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

When did anybody say that? You ask like somebody said that.

 

And one irritated manager. In 1972, the Tigers' Billy Martin pulled names out of a hat to order his lineup against Cleveland, and wound up with the plodding slugger Norm Cash batting leadoff and the anemic shortstop Eddie Brinkman at cleanup. Deliciously, Brinkman wound up in the middle of the afternoon's key rally, doubling home the tying run and scoring the game-winner in the Tigers' 3-2 victory.

[wolf stansson]

That's funny.

 

I actually don't know how much I agree with all of this though. If Juan Encarnacion spends the entire season hitting in front of Albert, don't you think he would cosistently see more strikes?

[snoodmonger]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/basketball/19score.html?ex=1144296000&en=0e477b7af2710697&ei=5070

 

That article is heartening in light of Encarnacion batting second.

 

interesting stuff

Especially considering the amount of fan bickering about batting order. Sammy in '04 comes to mind. I am surprised that something that is so accepted as important and made a big deal about can actually mean so little.

 

Yeah, I am, too. I wonder how many baseball people (coaches, managers, GMs) know about this. And I wonder if there's a large contingent who reject it, despite the evidence.

 

It's not a matter of rejecting the evidence. I doubt if most managers spend hours working on their lineup, but you don't honestly expect managers to pick names out of a hat to put their lineup together, do you?

 

I suspect there is some amount of consternation when arranging lineups, especially for teams who don't have guys who fit "traditional" roles. As for the 2nd part of your quote, while I get the reference to the article, I don't know where I suggested managers should be so flippant about filling out the lineup card, so I kind of fail to see your point.