New Trade Idea for Adam Dunn

[AllStarMe]

I guess I'd rather deal Pie and Hill than give up Matty, Williams, et al.

 

I am preparing to get savaged for that one.

 

Not from me, I'm right there with you. I'd rather keep Williams and Murton than Pie and Hill, for many reasons. You're more likely to get an impact player for Pie/Hill, Murton/Williams are more suited to contributing right now, which is our window while Z, Prior, Aramis and Lee are relatively young and under contract. Plus, I think in 25 years Murton will be the better OF, and I think Williams is criminally undervalued.

 

I'm not sure we can wait that long on Murton.

 

At least by then he'll be old enough to where we'll be more confident that Baker will start him.

 

If Baker's still here 25 years from now, I'm marching on the Tribune Towers with torch in hand. Of course, in the future it'll be more like jetpacking, and with a photon cannon in hand.

 

 

 

 

It's kind of sad that I envision the personal jetpack becoming a reality before the Cubs win the WS.

[Mizzou]

In terms of fan satisfaction, it'd be a pretty bad move for the new GM to trade the team's best player. I don't see Dunn going anywhere.

[TheDude]

If Dunn is on the table, he easily justifies a front-line starter. A package of prospects will not get the deal done, unless that package includes 2 of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball (Cubs don't have them). Only the A's could get that deal done IMO.

 

For the Cubs, they will have to look at Prior as the only legitimate starting point to get Dunn. Prior + Hill + Wellemeyer might net Dunn + good positional prospect (Denorfia or Perez?) or something similar.

[Blueheart05]

If Dunn is on the table, he easily justifies a front-line starter. A package of prospects will not get the deal done, unless that package includes 2 of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball (Cubs don't have them). Only the A's could get that deal done IMO.

 

For the Cubs, they will have to look at Prior as the only legitimate starting point to get Dunn. Prior + Hill + Wellemeyer might net Dunn + good positional prospect (Denorfia or Perez?) or something similar.

 

I don't think Dunn should net a front-line starter. That said, I don't think he's being shopped.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We know that they have listened to offers in the past. I doubt they are currently, but it doesn't mean you can't ask.

 

The Reds need pitching. Surely, they'd like a Prior or Zambrano for Dunn, but they aren't getting that.

 

Now, if they can get the pitching that they think will make them significantly better by trading Kearns or Griffey, they should do that. The big question is what is their plan? Will they attempt to contend this year? Surely the new owner may want to make a splash, but I don't see him being able to acquire enough pitching to make a difference.

 

Dunn is also about to get expensive which will hinder their ability to sign free agent pitchers. As has been shown, even unproven starters can get 8-10 million for 3-4 years.

 

If the Reds hire someone who can convince ownership that the best plan is to build for 2-3 years down the road, they might decide trading Dunn for pieces that will more likely help them then would be more prudent.

 

I'm not sure the Reds consider Dunn the face of the franchise. He certainly should be, but when I peruse boards such as RedsZone, there seems to be a mix of those who absolutely love him and those who malign him.

 

I think with the pitchers in the Cubs system, the Cubs might could move the conversation along.

 

They would likely have to give up three pitchers along with another prospect in the Harvey or Dopirak mold. The deal still might not get done, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to pursue it.

 

 

"I know you'll miss me blind," Vance

[TheDude]

If Dunn is on the table, he easily justifies a front-line starter. A package of prospects will not get the deal done, unless that package includes 2 of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball (Cubs don't have them). Only the A's could get that deal done IMO.

 

For the Cubs, they will have to look at Prior as the only legitimate starting point to get Dunn. Prior + Hill + Wellemeyer might net Dunn + good positional prospect (Denorfia or Perez?) or something similar.

 

I don't think Dunn should net a front-line starter. That said, I don't think he's being shopped.

 

It isn't uncommon for fans to undervalue other team's talent, and overvalue their favorite team's talent.

 

Dunn has top 10 offensive numbers in numerous categories, including the Sabremetric friendly and coveted stats of the current era of baseball. And at age 26, he should continue that peak level performance for at least 3 more years, and not at a price that kills. Dunn's production per dollar is killer.

 

The blinders have to come off at some point. Talent like Dunn's is definately worth a front-line starter, especially considering his top level production level is steady and predictable, a rarity in baseball.

[Blueheart05]

If Dunn is on the table, he easily justifies a front-line starter. A package of prospects will not get the deal done, unless that package includes 2 of the top 10 pitching prospects in all of baseball (Cubs don't have them). Only the A's could get that deal done IMO.

 

For the Cubs, they will have to look at Prior as the only legitimate starting point to get Dunn. Prior + Hill + Wellemeyer might net Dunn + good positional prospect (Denorfia or Perez?) or something similar.

 

I don't think Dunn should net a front-line starter. That said, I don't think he's being shopped.

 

It isn't uncommon for fans to undervalue other team's talent, and overvalue their favorite team's talent.

 

Dunn has top 10 offensive numbers in numerous categories, including the Sabremetric friendly and coveted stats of the current era of baseball. And at age 26, he should continue that peak level performance for at least 3 more years, and not at a price that kills. Dunn's production per dollar is killer.

 

The blinders have to come off at some point. Talent like Dunn's is definately worth a front-line starter, especially considering his top level production level is steady and predictable, a rarity in baseball.

 

Sorry but I'm not wearing blinders. Dunn is not equal to a quality starter. The Reds don't even value him that much (and the rest of the League isn't attempting to give them a front-line starter in a trade). The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

[RockTheIvy]

The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

 

Why Jim, why?! :cry: :cry:

[Blueheart05]

The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

 

Why Jim, why?! :cry: :cry:

 

LOL, the Cubs reportedly backed away from that trade. That's a topic for another thread. :lol:

[TheDude]

Sorry but I'm not wearing blinders. Dunn is not equal to a quality starter. The Reds don't even value him that much (and the rest of the League isn't attempting to give them a front-line starter in a trade). The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

 

You'll have to show me proof that the league doesn't value him that much before I'll believe that. And there is no 'truth' to the Rich Hill comment.

[Blueheart05]

Sorry but I'm not wearing blinders. Dunn is not equal to a quality starter. The Reds don't even value him that much (and the rest of the League isn't attempting to give them a front-line starter in a trade). The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

 

You'll have to show me proof that the league doesn't value him that much before I'll believe that. And there is no 'truth' to the Rich Hill comment.

 

 

So you say...

[Blueheart05]

Sorry but I'm not wearing blinders. Dunn is not equal to a quality starter. The Reds don't even value him that much (and the rest of the League isn't attempting to give them a front-line starter in a trade). The truth is, they would have taken Rich Hill for him.

 

You'll have to show me proof that the league doesn't value him that much before I'll believe that. And there is no 'truth' to the Rich Hill comment.

 

Ok, I will show you. Teams have only been offering young (prospect) pitching for Dunn.

 

Here's an example from the Detroit News:

 

A name that makes sense for the Tigers is Cincinnati outfielder Adam Dunn. He also would be expensive. The Tigers undoubtedly would be obliged to part with a prized young pitcher such as Zumaya as part of any package the Reds might consider for Dunn.

 

Just to clarify, Zumaya isn't a frontline pitcher. At this point, he's a prospect which equates to a Rich Hill type (BTW, the League seems to value Hill alot more than the average fan).

 

Here's FoxSports.com's take:

 

The Reds, expected to be more open to trading left fielder Adam Dunn, want top young pitching in return. The Astros, Dodgers and Red Sox could be among the suitors, along with two low-revenue clubs that plan to spend, the Royals and Blue Jays …

 

Those are merely two examples but there are others.

[RockTheIvy]

I'm starting to believe, especially with the Miller signing, that JH is getting ready to trade some more pitching. I just can't believe he would acquire all this starting pitching just to sit on it.

 

Prior

Z

Maddux

Williams

Wood

Miller

Hill

Rusch

Guzman

 

I realize that some of those guys could be at AAA at the start of the season, but honestly. Is there any team in baseball that has a better 8 man rotation, assuming everyone is healthy?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I'm starting to believe, especially with the Miller signing, that JH is getting ready to trade some more pitching. I just can't believe he would acquire all this starting pitching just to sit on it.

 

Prior

Z

Maddux

Williams

Wood

Miller

Hill

Rusch

Guzman

 

I realize that some of those guys could be at AAA at the start of the season, but honestly. Is there any team in baseball that has a better 8 man rotation, assuming everyone is healthy?

 

but we're not going to have all of those guys healthy. wood, miller, and guzman are all solid bets to grace the DL next season, probably for significant time.

 

i think hendry is just stockpiling arms for the inevitable.

[ThePenguin11]

Maybe they would be interested in Angel Pagan...He could be the next Angel Salazar.