Why Can't We Get Jason Michaels?

[Wheelimus]

Days like this suck. According to Rotoworld, once the Coco Crisp/Andy Marte deal goes down, the Phillies are going to trade Jason Michaels for Arthur Rhodes. Yep, a reliever who seems to have random good years and bad years.

 

What about Michaels? Oh, well, his line last year was just .304/.399/.415/.814, and he literally kills left handed pitching. We couldn't POSSIBLY have any use for that...

 

Just kills me to see what could be an essential piece to our team go elsewhere for so little. Surely a package of Novoa and Welly would be a good place to start.

 

Ugh

[rocket]

Jim already thinks he has the best leadoff hitter in baseball, so it's not worth thinking about. :(

[Wheelimus]

Someone should have let Jim know that the #2 hitter is pretty darn important too

[CubinNY]

Someone should have let Jim know that the #2 hitter is pretty darn important too

 

What are you talking about, according to Dusty Neifi saved the Cubs last year. You can pencil him in at SS or 2nd and in the 2 hole for about 100 games in 2006.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why Can't We Get Jason Michaels?

 

He gets on base too much for our liking.

[CubDad4Ever]

I think you have to be careful about falling in love with guys like michaels who have yet to prove at 30 they can produce numbers and d over the whole season. He also has a low slug and little speed. He is not the player Jaun P is . You can pencil Juan in for .350 for a whole season and impactive results on the bases. I am curious about 2nd base more than any positon besides Improved starting pitching. God Bless Coach L.

[Kingmanarama]

Yeah, I find all this very unsettling. Knowing that players like Crisp and Marte are available, and hearing that Michaels might be dealt for so little, has certainly reinforced just how poorly this off-season has gone for the Cubs. So far, in my opinion, we've been both aggressive and unimaginitive. That's a terrible combination.

[Balsa]

He has almost no power and the ESPN profile said his defense was weak. OBP isn't everything. It's important, but there are other ways to value a player.

[rocket]

I think you have to be careful about falling in love with guys like michaels who have yet to prove at 30 they can produce numbers and d over the whole season. He also has a low slug and little speed. He is not the player Jaun P is . You can pencil Juan in for .350 for a whole season and impactive results on the bases. I am curious about 2nd base more than any positon besides Improved starting pitching. God Bless Coach L.

 

How can you pencil in Juan Pierre at a .350 OBP when he didn't come close last year to reaching .350?

 

Michaels does have a low slugging percentage, but it's also a lot higher than Juan's.

Edited January 23, 2006 by rocket

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think you have to be careful about falling in love with guys like michaels who have yet to prove at 30 they can produce numbers and d over the whole season. He also has a low slug and little speed. He is not the player Jaun P is . You can pencil Juan in for .350 for a whole season and impactive results on the bases. I am curious about 2nd base more than any positon besides Improved starting pitching. God Bless Coach L.

 

Corey Patterson was built like a tank and bounced shots off Sheffield occasionally, and I have also witnessed him beating out a routine ground ball to 2nd. SLG and speed are overrated at the top of the order.

[CubDad4Ever]

Because he is in his prime , plays every day and has an aggregate of .355 much more of a certaintity than michaels. God Bless Coach L.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think you have to be careful about falling in love with guys like michaels who have yet to prove at 30 they can produce numbers and d over the whole season. He also has a low slug and little speed. He is not the player Jaun P is . You can pencil Juan in for .350 for a whole season and impactive results on the bases. I am curious about 2nd base more than any positon besides Improved starting pitching. God Bless Coach L.

 

2 of Pierre's 5+ seasons he's been short of .350, 36% of his career PA's. He's not a lock at all. His baserunning is not guaranteed to be helpful with the amount of times he's been caught stealing in the past. Meanwhile, the only period Michaels was short of .350 was his first real stint in the big leagues, 123 PA's with a .347 OBP.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He has almost no power and the ESPN profile said his defense was weak. OBP isn't everything. It's important, but there are other ways to value a player.

 

ESPN profiles are garbage. His .150 career IsoP is plenty good enough for a CF, and he's a better defender than Pierre. Michaels is better, aside from basestealing, which Pierre has just a good a chance to hurt the team as to help, Michaels is superior in every aspect of the game.

[treebird]

asking jim hendry to go get you jason michaels is like asking your unemployed alcoholic father to buy you a pony

[Ding Dong Johnson]

asking jim hendry to go get you jason michaels is like asking your unemployed alcoholic father to buy you a pony

 

Hendry's going to take off his belt and beat me until morning?

[TheDude]

Why are people still debating Jason Michaels over Juan Pierre? It's not happening. This Michaels thing has been cropping up for months and it's become a broken record (with a bad song to boot). Folks just need to accept that Pierre is the CF and lead-off hitter for the Cubs in 2006.

[SanJoseCubsFan]

That is a broad generalization to say he is better is every aspect of the game comparing a part time player to a player who plays 162 games each year. Why don't we just start Todd Hollensworth? He was over .345 obs 6 times as a part time player. Maybe he can start? Many talk of small sample size and players will come back to earth once the full season plays out but don't want to take that argument into account if someone plays part time. It makes a BIG difference. Why has Philly not played him full time? He is 30 years old this year. He might be very good as a full time player but you cannot jump to that conclusion. Pierre is not going to hurt the team with a SB rate of career 74% vs. 75% mentioned in Money Ball.

 

 

He has almost no power and the ESPN profile said his defense was weak. OBP isn't everything. It's important, but there are other ways to value a player.

 

ESPN profiles are garbage. His .150 career IsoP is plenty good enough for a CF, and he's a better defender than Pierre. Michaels is better, aside from basestealing, which Pierre has just a good a chance to hurt the team as to help, Michaels is superior in every aspect of the game.

[Kingmanarama]

asking jim hendry to go get you jason michaels is like asking your unemployed alcoholic father to buy you a pony

 

*Perfect.*

 

I'm not thinking of Michaels as an alternative to Pierre, by the way, but to Jones. He could at least be an effective platoon partner for Jones. Not that it's happening.

[Rob]

asking jim hendry to go get you jason michaels is like asking your unemployed alcoholic father to buy you a pony

 

Hendry's going to take off his belt and beat me until morning?

 

It'd certainly be a welcome tradeoff from the year-long thrashing he typically causes.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That is a broad generalization to say he is better is every aspect of the game comparing a part time player to a player who plays 162 games each year. Why don't we just start Todd Hollensworth? He was over .345 obs 6 times as a part time player. Maybe he can start? Many talk of small sample size and players will come back to earth once the full season plays out but don't want to take that argument into account if someone plays part time. It makes a BIG difference. Why has Philly not played him full time? He is 30 years old this year. He might be very good as a full time player but you cannot jump to that conclusion. Pierre is not going to hurt the team with a SB rate of career 74% vs. 75% mentioned in Money Ball.

 

 

He has almost no power and the ESPN profile said his defense was weak. OBP isn't everything. It's important, but there are other ways to value a player.

 

ESPN profiles are garbage. His .150 career IsoP is plenty good enough for a CF, and he's a better defender than Pierre. Michaels is better, aside from basestealing, which Pierre has just a good a chance to hurt the team as to help, Michaels is superior in every aspect of the game.

 

Michaels has nearly 1000 PA's of very good production, it's not a sample size issue at all. Also, assuming there is some unknown reason Michaels isn't playing, and therefore a competent front office, from an organization that just fired it's GM recently seems to be a bit of a contradiction. Pierre for his career is near that break even point, but he's had his good years and bad stealing bases, hence the just as likely to hurt as help comment.

[CubDad4Ever]

Well put San Jose. a way undervalued metric is the abilty to play long periods over a career or consistantly over a season is huge. I was leary of Drew for just that reason and he had a much larger and better sample size than Michaels. It has to be taken into consideration along with michaels age, meaning he would be bucking a large historcal trend as far as breaking out at his age. As far as steals not being important , please, the single most important turning point in the 2004 run for the BOSOX was roberts steal off lights out in game 4 of the series against the Yanks. Situations along with having to account for the threat of them both influence good teams. The 75per cent rule has to be taken with that grain of salt. God Bless you Like myself passionate fans of the Northsiders.

[Neuby]

Days like this suck. According to Rotoworld, once the Coco Crisp/Andy Marte deal goes down, the Phillies are going to trade Jason Michaels for Arthur Rhodes. Yep, a reliever who seems to have random good years and bad years.

 

What about Michaels? Oh, well, his line last year was just .304/.399/.415/.814, and he literally kills left handed pitching. We couldn't POSSIBLY have any use for that...

 

Just kills me to see what could be an essential piece to our team go elsewhere for so little. Surely a package of Novoa and Welly would be a good place to start.

 

Ugh

 

I don't think Welly or Nova is a good place to start. Welly really doesn't have any trade vaule he hasn't mad much sucess in the majors in any role. Nova looks like he could be a set up man closer somewhere down the road but it's hit or miss. The Phillies are looking at getting Rhodes who even at 36 is a solid left handed set up man and according to most reports another reliver in the package for the price of Micheals.

[Neuby]

Deal just got bigger

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/23/source_sox_agree_to_crisp_deal/

 

Andy Marte, Kelly Shoppach, Mota

 

 

Crisp, Riske, Bard

[Wheelimus]

Who said anything about center field? I'd rather have him to take every lefty for Jacque, give Slappy some rest, and give Murton a day off here and there against a righty (maximizing potential by giving Jones and Murton days off against pitchers they'd have trouble with anyway).

 

I mean, Michaels will only be arbitration eligible in 2007, we'd have him for at least two years. And, gosh, insurance if any of the 3 starters in the outfield get hurt ( ! )

[Blueheart05]

Deal just got bigger

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/23/source_sox_agree_to_crisp_deal/

 

Andy Marte, Kelly Shoppach, Mota

 

 

Crisp, Riske, Bard

 

Actually, that's been reported since Saturday (even thought it has today's date). The Boston Herald claims only one minor leaguer and Crisp with be exchanged for Mota and Marte.