Magic Bullet Theory: Tejada, Burnitz = Hill, Pie & Murto

[ThePenguin11]

With the signing of Burnitz to the O's earlier got my wheels turning. What if the O's are signing Burnitz (out-of-nowhere, I might add & with no other suiters bidding apparently) with the intention of trading him back to the Cubs on the condition that the Cubs include Murton in the Tejada deal.

 

I think that the Cubs would be offering Murton, Pie and Hill for Tejada and a non-Bedarek SP prospect so that all sides can be happy. Purely speculation on my part, but wouldn't it make sense if neither team wants to part with their best pitcher? The Cubs would much rather settle for one of their best clubhouse guys in Burnitz than to have to deal Zambrano or Prior, so would this be more palatable for you guys?

 

EDIT: The idea is that in order to follow MLB rules, the O's would have to sign and trade Burnitz (with his permission). Doesn't it seem a Cublike move? Not that I'm against it, or any move that means we keep Prior and Z...

Edited December 29, 2005 by ThePenguin11

[E.J.]

Can't do a sign and trade. Burnitz wouldn't be able to be traded until June 1st at the earliest.

[ThePenguin11]

Can't do a sign and trade. Burnitz wouldn't be able to be traded until June 1st at the earliest.

 

If he still wants to be a Cub it could happen today. All he has to do is give his permission to the Orioles.

[Ram1380]

That would make the outfield Jones, Pierre and Burnitz??

 

 

 

Sweet Jebus thats ugly.

[ThePenguin11]

That would make the outfield Jones, Pierre and Burnitz??

 

 

 

Sweet Jebus thats ugly.

 

Think about the infield.

 

Now remember that Murton is not a mortal lock to put up .270/25/90.

 

The move improves the team and doesn't hurt the integrity of the pitching staff.

[WrigleyField 22]

CF- Pierre

LF-Jones

1B-Lee

SS-Tejada

RF-Burnitz

3B-Ramirez

2B-Perez

C-Barret

EDIT- Walker clearly gets traded then for some crap lefty reliever or something, and Cedeno rides the bench. Even if Walker stays, Dusty still hits him 7th, minimizing his value. Only gots to have speed at the top of the order dude.

 

No Pie or Murton in sight to help the OF

:(

 

That being said, I find it highly unlikely that such a deal would occur.

[ThePenguin11]

Didn't we make the playoffs with an outfield of Sosa, H. Rodriguez and Lance Johnson? That wasn't exactly a stellar outfield outside of Sosa's 'steroid era' power numbers. HRod batted .251. The 2005 White Sox outfield last year was average at best as well.

[WrigleyField 22]

Didn't we make the playoffs with an outfield of Sosa, H. Rodriguez and Lance Johnson? That wasn't exactly a stellar outfield outside of Sosa's 'steroid era' power numbers. HRod batted .251. The 2005 White Sox outfield last year was average at best as well.

 

Other average teams got lucky why can't we!

 

Also despite the .251 avg Rdriguez slugged .530 with 31 HR. His OBP was a below average at .334, but thats certianly better than Jones and most likey Burnitz

 

Also Johnson hit .280 .335 .352 Comparable to what we could expect from Pierre (a little less OBP-Pierre you could expect .350-others might say less tho)

 

Then you throw in Sammy's ridiculous stats and even that OF blows away one of Pierre/Jones/Burnitz

Edited December 29, 2005 by WrigleyField 22

[ThePenguin11]

Didn't we make the playoffs with an outfield of Sosa, H. Rodriguez and Lance Johnson? That wasn't exactly a stellar outfield outside of Sosa's 'steroid era' power numbers. HRod batted .251. The 2005 White Sox outfield last year was average at best as well.

 

Other average teams got lucky why can't we!

 

Also despite the .251 avg Rdriguez slugged .530 with 31 HR. His OBP was a below average at .334, but thats certianly better than Jones and most likey Burnitz

 

Also Johnson hit .280 .335 .352 Comparable to what we could expect from Pierre (a little less OBP)

 

Then you throw in Sammy's ridiculous stats and even that OF blows away one of Pierre/Jones/Burnitz

 

The point is an above average outfield does not a World Championship make.

 

Pitching and being 'strong up the middle' seems to be the championship rhetoric of the past 5-10 years.

[WrigleyField 22]

Didn't we make the playoffs with an outfield of Sosa, H. Rodriguez and Lance Johnson? That wasn't exactly a stellar outfield outside of Sosa's 'steroid era' power numbers. HRod batted .251. The 2005 White Sox outfield last year was average at best as well.

 

Other average teams got lucky why can't we!

 

Also despite the .251 avg Rdriguez slugged .530 with 31 HR. His OBP was a below average at .334, but thats certianly better than Jones and most likey Burnitz

 

Also Johnson hit .280 .335 .352 Comparable to what we could expect from Pierre (a little less OBP)

 

Then you throw in Sammy's ridiculous stats and even that OF blows away one of Pierre/Jones/Burnitz

 

The point is an above average outfield does not a World Championship make.

 

Pitching and being 'strong up the middle' seems to be the championship rhetoric of the past 5-10 years.

 

Good point, but even with Prior your rotation is still pretty qustionable after him and Z, by questionable, I mean, can they pull a White Sox or close?(thats what it would likely take)

 

Then you praised the IF, but if we are gonna be "strong up the middle" it will mean Perez, not Walker. Still a good IF, but Perez hurts it a lot.

[badger1679666666]

Didn't we make the playoffs with an outfield of Sosa, H. Rodriguez and Lance Johnson? That wasn't exactly a stellar outfield outside of Sosa's 'steroid era' power numbers. HRod batted .251. The 2005 White Sox outfield last year was average at best as well.

 

Other average teams got lucky why can't we!

 

Also despite the .251 avg Rdriguez slugged .530 with 31 HR. His OBP was a below average at .334, but thats certianly better than Jones and most likey Burnitz

 

Also Johnson hit .280 .335 .352 Comparable to what we could expect from Pierre (a little less OBP)

 

Then you throw in Sammy's ridiculous stats and even that OF blows away one of Pierre/Jones/Burnitz

 

The point is an above average outfield does not a World Championship make.

 

Pitching and being 'strong up the middle' seems to be the championship rhetoric of the past 5-10 years.

 

Good point, but even with Prior your rotation is still pretty qustionable after him and Z, by questionable, I mean, can they pull a White Sox or close?(thats what it would likely take)

 

Then you praised the IF, but if we are gonna be "strong up the middle" it will mean Perez, not Walker. Still a good IF, but Perez hurts it a lot.

 

Depends on Wood. IF you have Z, Prior, and Wood pitch 200+, 200+, 180+ innings, the Cubs make the playoffs. This years rotation, yet again, hinges on Wood being healthy. IF he responds from that surgery the way Carpenter did, goodbye to the rest of the NL Central.

[WrigleyField 22]

Depends on Wood. IF you have Z, Prior, and Wood pitch 200+, 200+, 180+ innings, the Cubs make the playoffs. This years rotation, yet again, hinges on Wood being healthy. IF he responds from that surgery the way Carpenter did, goodbye to the rest of the NL Central.

 

Well if we could assume Wood would be healthy than yea, its simple. I personally don't want to count on it. If it happens then we are even better.

[E.J.]

Also, do we really want to pay Burnitz $6 million per year for 2 years? On top of paying Tejada's bill?

 

Don't think it will happen.

[SeldomSeen]

Hold the phone, here people. My worst fear last offseason was that Burnitz would be a Cub. The joy I felt when his option was declined was second only to that of Jose Macias Day. It would be great to get Tejada without giving up Prior, but lets not get carried away here.

 

 

 

Oh, and it's not going to happen. I hope.

[ThePenguin11]

Hold the phone, here people. My worst fear last offseason was that Burnitz would be a Cub. The joy I felt when his option was declined was second only to that of Jose Macias Day. It would be great to get Tejada without giving up Prior, but lets not get carried away here.

 

 

 

Oh, and it's not going to happen. I hope.

 

Would you rather trade Prior???

 

That is the main idea behind this ridiculous theory! If it meant getting Tejada at the cost of replacing Murton with Burnitz, would you then be in favor of making a deal with Orioles.

[ThePenguin11]

Hold the phone, here people. My worst fear last offseason was that Burnitz would be a Cub. The joy I felt when his option was declined was second only to that of Jose Macias Day. It would be great to get Tejada without giving up Prior, but lets not get carried away here.

 

 

 

Oh, and it's not going to happen. I hope.

 

Would you rather trade Prior???

 

That is the main idea behind this ridiculous theory! If it meant getting Tejada at the cost of replacing Murton with Burnitz, would you then be in favor of making a deal with Orioles.

 

Also, take into consideration my comment that Murton is no guarantee to be productive over the course of a full season. That can't be rejected out of hand.

[NorthsideAvenger]

With the signing of Burnitz to the O's earlier got my wheels turning. What if the O's are signing Burnitz (out-of-nowhere, I might add & with no other suiters bidding apparently) with the intention of trading him back to the Cubs on the condition that the Cubs include Murton in the Tejada deal.

 

I think that the Cubs would be offering Murton, Pie and Hill for Tejada and a non-Bedarek SP prospect so that all sides can be happy. Purely speculation on my part, but wouldn't it make sense if neither team wants to part with their best pitcher? The Cubs would much rather settle for one of their best clubhouse guys in Burnitz than to have to deal Zambrano or Prior, so would this be more palatable for you guys?

 

EDIT: The idea is that in order to follow MLB rules, the O's would have to sign and trade Burnitz (with his permission). Doesn't it seem a Cublike move? Not that I'm against it, or any move that means we keep Prior and Z...

 

Sorry, Penquin, you're stretching. If the Cubs wanted Burnitz, WOULDN'T it been easy to re-sign him at the same price the Orioles did, WITHOUT giving up Murton?

 

Burnitz did not sign with the Orioles, so that he could be dealt back to the Cubs.

[CP_414]

Do you think Burnitz is just following Sosa around the country so he will seem good by comparison to the teams fans? Next stop: Japan?

[SeldomSeen]

Hold the phone, here people. My worst fear last offseason was that Burnitz would be a Cub. The joy I felt when his option was declined was second only to that of Jose Macias Day. It would be great to get Tejada without giving up Prior, but lets not get carried away here.

 

 

 

Oh, and it's not going to happen. I hope.

 

Would you rather trade Prior???

 

That is the main idea behind this ridiculous theory! If it meant getting Tejada at the cost of replacing Murton with Burnitz, would you then be in favor of making a deal with Orioles.

 

No.

These are not the only options out there. What I'm saying is that I wouldn't necessarily "move heaven and earth" for Miguel Tejada. I wasn't trying to trash your proposal, but my dislike for Burnitz runs deeeeeeeeep. As I've stated before, I'd much prefer getting a big bat (LH) for the outfield than upgrade from Cedeno to Tejada. I like Murton a great deal, but I wouldn't hesitate to platoon him with Jones if it meant having a real threat in RF.

[beer man]

These supposed deals really crack me up!