12/25 - Chicago Bears @ Green Bay Packers

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't see how you can remain intellectually honest and tell me that he's declining after looking at thos stats. that's absolute nonsense. you're trying to make an anomaly fit your overall theory of age in sports, and it's not working.

 

I don't see how you can watch football games and not notice that Favre has declined. The guy has always taken risks, and as his body falls apart they are starting to haunt him. He was at his best in the mid to late 90's. He's not at his best anymore. It's completely asinine to look at GB's season and not put any blame on Favre and to look at his career and pretend he's the exact same player he used to be.

 

how can you even judge him with the subtractions to the offense? before he lost 3 Rbs and his pro-bowl TE, he was at or above his career numbers in almost every category. that's even without his starting guards.

 

i'd like to see what urlacher does without competent linemen in front of him. he'd probably have a bad season, like he did in 2003-04.

 

but he must have been declining, too.

[YearofDaCubs]

i don't see how you can remain intellectually honest and tell me that he's declining after looking at thos stats. that's absolute nonsense. you're trying to make an anomaly fit your overall theory of age in sports, and it's not working.

 

I don't see how you can watch football games and not notice that Favre has declined. The guy has always taken risks, and as his body falls apart they are starting to haunt him. He was at his best in the mid to late 90's. He's not at his best anymore. It's completely asinine to look at GB's season and not put any blame on Favre and to look at his career and pretend he's the exact same player he used to be.

 

how can you even judge him with the subtractions to the offense? before he lost 3 Rbs and his pro-bowl TE, he was at or above his career numbers in almost every category. that's even without his starting guards.

 

i'd like to see what urlacher does without competent linemen in front of him. he'd probably have a bad season, like he did in 2003-04.

 

but he must have been declining, too.

It's very simple why we can judge him. His decision making. Other people that have less talent on their offense do not make the mistakes Favre does.

[goonys evil twin]

i don't see how you can remain intellectually honest and tell me that he's declining after looking at thos stats. that's absolute nonsense. you're trying to make an anomaly fit your overall theory of age in sports, and it's not working.

 

I don't see how you can watch football games and not notice that Favre has declined. The guy has always taken risks, and as his body falls apart they are starting to haunt him. He was at his best in the mid to late 90's. He's not at his best anymore. It's completely asinine to look at GB's season and not put any blame on Favre and to look at his career and pretend he's the exact same player he used to be.

 

how can you even judge him with the subtractions to the offense? before he lost 3 Rbs and his pro-bowl TE, he was at or above his career numbers in almost every category. that's even without his starting guards.

 

i'd like to see what urlacher does without competent linemen in front of him. he'd probably have a bad season, like he did in 2003-04.

 

but he must have been declining, too.

 

The hero worship of Favre is almost as disgusting as that of Eric Bedard in the Prior talks. How can I judge him? The same way I judge any football player, watch him play and look at the results. Favre from 1999 to 2005 has not been as good as Favre from 1993 to 1998, with his peak likely around 1995-1997. The guy has been linked to retirement talks for 3 years, and never went out of his way to deny the thoughts. There's a reason, he's not the same player he used to be. He is 2-5 in the playoffs since the super bowl loss. He's been good enough to own the Bears for a decade and to keep his team in contention for the division most of the time. But he is no longer the player he once was. As unlucky as they have been with injuries this year, not many people were picking them to win more than 9 games this year, with many considering them an afterthought for the division. Part of that is the realization that Brett Favre can't do what he once did.

[Magnetic Curses]

You can make an argument that there are worse teams in the NFL like the Texans, Titans, 49ers as well as others. They probably lack talent around them as well and I don't see their QBs throwing INTs at a record pace. Driver has had 3 1000 yard seasons in 4 years how is that serviceable? That sounds better than serviceable to me. Bottom line I do not see that Favre having the lack of talent as an excuse for his decision making and high INTs especially considering so many teams out there with less of a O line and less talent at WR and QB not making the same mental mistakes as Favre does.

 

well, for one, the niners have thrown nearly 250 less times than the packers (7 TD, 20 INT, how's that for a ration? open mouth, insert foot). the texans have thrown roughly 200 less times than the packers. and the titans have an offense that's based on taking few risks, very TE friendly.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't see how you can remain intellectually honest and tell me that he's declining after looking at thos stats. that's absolute nonsense. you're trying to make an anomaly fit your overall theory of age in sports, and it's not working.

 

I don't see how you can watch football games and not notice that Favre has declined. The guy has always taken risks, and as his body falls apart they are starting to haunt him. He was at his best in the mid to late 90's. He's not at his best anymore. It's completely asinine to look at GB's season and not put any blame on Favre and to look at his career and pretend he's the exact same player he used to be.

 

how can you even judge him with the subtractions to the offense? before he lost 3 Rbs and his pro-bowl TE, he was at or above his career numbers in almost every category. that's even without his starting guards.

 

i'd like to see what urlacher does without competent linemen in front of him. he'd probably have a bad season, like he did in 2003-04.

 

but he must have been declining, too.

 

The hero worship of Favre is almost as disgusting as that of Eric Bedard in the Prior talks. How can I judge him? The same way I judge any football player, watch him play and look at the results. Favre from 1999 to 2005 has not been as good as Favre from 1993 to 1998, with his peak likely around 1995-1997. The guy has been linked to retirement talks for 3 years, and never went out of his way to deny the thoughts. There's a reason, he's not the same player he used to be. He is 2-5 in the playoffs since the super bowl loss. He's been good enough to own the Bears for a decade and to keep his team in contention for the division most of the time. But he is no longer the player he once was. As unlucky as they have been with injuries this year, not many people were picking them to win more than 9 games this year, with many considering them an afterthought for the division. Part of that is the realization that Brett Favre can't do what he once did.

 

sure, it had nothing to do with the pack losing their all-pro safety, 2 sturdy o-lineman, paired with an apparently ineffective running attack.

 

i've listed statistics to support my claim, i see nothing but gut-hunches and feelings from you.

 

his team sucks, it has sucked all year and has gotten progressively worse while favre has managed to really only be gravely below his career average in INT's. the other stats speak for themselves.

 

what does all this point to? well, you've missed this so many times i'm concerned that the words are invisible to you. i'll post in caps:

 

THE RISKS HE'S TAKING ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE DECLINE OF HIS TEAM AND THE OVERCOMPENSATION HE HAS MADE FOR HIS TEAM'S MAJOR LOSSES. NOTHING MORE.

 

why in the hell is it so hard for you to understand that concept?

[YearofDaCubs]

You can make an argument that there are worse teams in the NFL like the Texans, Titans, 49ers as well as others. They probably lack talent around them as well and I don't see their QBs throwing INTs at a record pace. Driver has had 3 1000 yard seasons in 4 years how is that serviceable? That sounds better than serviceable to me. Bottom line I do not see that Favre having the lack of talent as an excuse for his decision making and high INTs especially considering so many teams out there with less of a O line and less talent at WR and QB not making the same mental mistakes as Favre does.

 

well, for one, the niners have thrown nearly 250 less times than the packers (7 TD, 20 INT, how's that for a ration? open mouth, insert foot). the texans have thrown roughly 200 less times than the packers. and the titans have an offense that's based on taking few risks, very TE friendly.

Why don't you open your own mouth and insert foot. God forbid somebody has a different point of view than you right? Sully's MR FAVRE ALMIGHTY THE INVINCIBLE ONE!! I'll tell you where you and Favre can stick it. It's not my problem you are sore about this. God forbid Favre the almighty makes questionable decisions that costs his team. I have made my points.

[goonys evil twin]

sure, it had nothing to do with the pack losing their all-pro safety, 2 sturdy o-lineman, paired with an apparently ineffective running attack.

 

i've listed statistics to support my claim, i see nothing but gut-hunches and feelings from you.

 

his team sucks, it has sucked all year and has gotten progressively worse while favre has managed to really only be gravely below his career average in INT's. the other stats speak for themselves.

 

what does all this point to? well, you've missed this so many times i'm concerned that the words are invisible to you. i'll post in caps:

 

THE RISKS HE'S TAKING ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE DECLINE OF HIS TEAM AND THE OVERCOMPENSATION HE HAS MADE FOR HIS TEAM'S MAJOR LOSSES. NOTHING MORE.

 

why in the hell is it so hard for you to understand that concept?

 

Why are you so freaking bitter about this? I acknowledge that his team is worse. I don't think he deserves all the blame, I'm simply saying he deserves some blame for his team's crappy play. You might not be able to see what defense I've had for my stance, but I am pretty confident tha the fault lies in your unmitigated manlust for Favre more so than my failings to accurately analyze the game. Sure he's had to take more risks, but the rate that those risk have turned into failure has increased as well, in part due to his body not being able to carry out the tasks his mind assigns it as well as it did in years past. That's nothing to be ashamed of for a 36 year old QB with as many miles on the tires as Favre. He can still win in this league, and would still be modestly successful on a better team, but he's no longer an elite QB and can't carry a team. He's been blessed with some fantastic talent around him for many years. When things get tough nowadays though he all too often loses the game with an incredibly ridiculous pass attempt. Maybe he's frustrated at the lack of talent around him, who knows, but he makes the decisions and his skill isn't making up for the bad ones. That is a QB in decline.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

To switch things up a bit, this is a great article on the turnaround of the Bears this season. link

[Magnetic Curses]

sure, it had nothing to do with the pack losing their all-pro safety, 2 sturdy o-lineman, paired with an apparently ineffective running attack.

 

i've listed statistics to support my claim, i see nothing but gut-hunches and feelings from you.

 

his team sucks, it has sucked all year and has gotten progressively worse while favre has managed to really only be gravely below his career average in INT's. the other stats speak for themselves.

 

what does all this point to? well, you've missed this so many times i'm concerned that the words are invisible to you. i'll post in caps:

 

THE RISKS HE'S TAKING ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE DECLINE OF HIS TEAM AND THE OVERCOMPENSATION HE HAS MADE FOR HIS TEAM'S MAJOR LOSSES. NOTHING MORE.

 

why in the hell is it so hard for you to understand that concept?

 

Why are you so freaking bitter about this? I acknowledge that his team is worse. I don't think he deserves all the blame, I'm simply saying he deserves some blame for his team's crappy play. You might not be able to see what defense I've had for my stance, but I am pretty confident tha the fault lies in your unmitigated manlust for Favre more so than my failings to accurately analyze the game. Sure he's had to take more risks, but the rate that those risk have turned into failure has increased as well, in part due to his body not being able to carry out the tasks his mind assigns it as well as it did in years past. That's nothing to be ashamed of for a 36 year old QB with as many miles on the tires as Favre. He can still win in this league, and would still be modestly successful on a better team, but he's no longer an elite QB and can't carry a team. He's been blessed with some fantastic talent around him for many years. When things get tough nowadays though he all too often loses the game with an incredibly ridiculous pass attempt. Maybe he's frustrated at the lack of talent around him, who knows, but he makes the decisions and his skill isn't making up for the bad ones. That is a QB in decline.

 

please don't bait me with a statement like this:

 

The hero worship of Favre is almost as disgusting as that of Eric Bedard in the Prior talks.

 

...and then ask me why i'm bitter. it sounds like you simply don't like favre, and probably aren't a packer lover. no, i have no "unmitigated manlust" for favre, either. i WILL let you know that i'm bitter at how many times he's beaten us, but still consider him one of the top QBs in the game. one subpar season does not a trend make, and i'd wager that it's your overeagerness to find a downward trend in ANY aging player coupled with your natural distaste for the packers that's fueling much of your opinion regarding favre.

 

one could make a very salient argument that he's the best QB that's ever lived. one could make an argument for a handful of Qbs as well, but i'd take favre any day of the week over any other of those guys. just my personal preference.

[goonys evil twin]

please don't bait me with a statement like this:

 

I baited you? Did you read what you wrote to me? Apparantly you think I can't read and can't form a coherent arguement.

 

You've been incredibly antagonistic in this argument. I am simple stating a pretty simple idea, Brett Favre circa 2005 isn't as good as Brett Favre circa 1995-1997, and that his team's misfortunes can be partly blamed on his declining play. You, and many Favre apoligists, like to claim that his astronomical INT rate this season is due entirely to him just trying so much harder now than he did before, to make up for his teammates lack of ability. I take a much more simple approach. In his peak he had a 2.59 TD/INT ratio, and his team was consistently great. Since 1998 he's had a TD/INT ration of 1.33, and his team has ranged from mediocre to good, and is now terrible.

 

I've stated that I don't think he's done, that I think he can still win in this league and that he's still a threat. But his body, at 36, can't do what it once did. And for a guy who relied so heavily on risk taking and his extreme physical talents, that will take a toll. You can name guys like Elway (TD and the OLine won him his Super Bowls), Young (had the benefit of not getting as banged up early in his career, not to mention the best receiver in NFL history), Moon (please, the guy was never a threat for greatness in his later years), Marino (put up numbers but not many results in his 30's) and Gannon (another late bloomer without much wear and tear when he emerged who also had 3 great receivers) and say they've had some success in their 30s. But I'm not saying Favre can't have any success. All I'm saying is he has declined, the results speak for themselves and it shouldn't be surprising to anybody. It's hardly an indictment of the guy.

 

I hate that he's owned the Bears, but respect the hell out of his game. He's been more fun to watch than any Bears player over the past decade, and would probably go down as the greatest Bear ever if he played for this team. I'm much more happy that the Bears beat Favre twice this year than I would have been if they beat Rogers. He's had a great career, and can still be pretty good, but he's not the same. And people should stop pretending that he is.

[UK1679666180]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

[YearofDaCubs]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

I have to agree with the C. He has wayyy too many dropped passes to be anything better than a C. Some of those dropped passes were for touchdowns and were passes he should have made. At the same time he does get open and does make good plays as well. C is very fair.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

 

I'd actually go a little lower (C-/D+) considering part of his job was to also be a leader. His antics with Orton brought him down a notch or two in my book. He had a chance to redeem himself Sunday when he finally had his QB for a full game, and he dropped some balls. That said, with Grossman for the entire season, and I think Moose would have been around that A- or B+ area.

[cubweiser03]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

 

I'll go with a B+. Im grading him on the bell curve comparing his performance to david terrell and dez white of last year. :lol:

 

Its hard to grade him when orton didnt do poo-poo for a lot of the games. Not even jerry rice could of done well. Im still glad they signed him.

[Magnetic Curses]

please don't bait me with a statement like this:

 

I baited you? Did you read what you wrote to me? Apparantly you think I can't read and can't form a coherent arguement.

 

You've been incredibly antagonistic in this argument. I am simple stating a pretty simple idea, Brett Favre circa 2005 isn't as good as Brett Favre circa 1995-1997, and that his team's misfortunes can be partly blamed on his declining play. You, and many Favre apoligists, like to claim that his astronomical INT rate this season is due entirely to him just trying so much harder now than he did before, to make up for his teammates lack of ability. I take a much more simple approach. In his peak he had a 2.59 TD/INT ratio, and his team was consistently great. Since 1998 he's had a TD/INT ration of 1.33, and his team has ranged from mediocre to good, and is now terrible.

 

I've stated that I don't think he's done, that I think he can still win in this league and that he's still a threat. But his body, at 36, can't do what it once did. And for a guy who relied so heavily on risk taking and his extreme physical talents, that will take a toll. You can name guys like Elway (TD and the OLine won him his Super Bowls), Young (had the benefit of not getting as banged up early in his career, not to mention the best receiver in NFL history), Moon (please, the guy was never a threat for greatness in his later years), Marino (put up numbers but not many results in his 30's) and Gannon (another late bloomer without much wear and tear when he emerged who also had 3 great receivers) and say they've had some success in their 30s. But I'm not saying Favre can't have any success. All I'm saying is he has declined, the results speak for themselves and it shouldn't be surprising to anybody. It's hardly an indictment of the guy.

 

I hate that he's owned the Bears, but respect the hell out of his game. He's been more fun to watch than any Bears player over the past decade, and would probably go down as the greatest Bear ever if he played for this team. I'm much more happy that the Bears beat Favre twice this year than I would have been if they beat Rogers. He's had a great career, and can still be pretty good, but he's not the same. And people should stop pretending that he is.

 

i'll give you that he had a peak in 95-97 in regards to TD/INT, but not in completion percentage and yards.

 

his best season for TD/INT ratio was 96, but since then, he's thrown for more yardage 4 times (98,99, 01, 04) and had a better completion percentage 6 times (98, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05), and it wasn't because he was throwing less, of those 6 years, he threw more passes than he did in 96 4 times.

 

his yards per attempt has been better 4 times (98, 01, 03 , 04) (not counting 97, a year which you included as a peak year) as well.

[Magnetic Curses]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

 

moose hasn't lived up to his billing, has publicly embarassed his QB, and dropped more than a few important passes.

 

grossman needs to get in his face on his next drop.

[goonys evil twin]

What is your grade for Moose this year?

 

Personally, I'd give him a "C", which isn't good enough for what he was brought in to do.

 

I could put the blame on Orton and Turner, but he has done his fair share to contribute to that low rating.

 

moose hasn't lived up to his billing, has publicly embarassed his QB, and dropped more than a few important passes.

 

grossman needs to get in his face on his next drop.

 

It's hard for me to be upset at Moose for getting in Orton's face. I think that played a part in Lovie finally making the necessary switch. And I don't think any good would come from Rex getting in Moose's face. The drops are getting pretty ridiculous, but he's also been the Bears only receiver threat, and is covered by 2 or 3 guys at all times. I'd say he's been about a C+. Playing receiver in this offense is not easy. When Orton did get the ball to him it was rare that the pass was in a nice catching zone. He's done enough to earn more than a D or F. I'm just hoping they can get a couple nice playoff games out of him and then one last hurrah next season. Because by year 3 of this contract he probably won't be much of a big time threat, and by year 4 might have to be cut.

[brinoch]

Giving Moose a C is probably fair. He could have bumped that to a B if he'd not had as many drops as he's had, but he's been pretty solid. I'm actually pretty excited at the thought of Moose, Bradley and Berrian next season, though I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears draft another WR. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft another TE.

[Banedon]

Giving Moose a C is probably fair. He could have bumped that to a B if he'd not had as many drops as he's had, but he's been pretty solid. I'm actually pretty excited at the thought of Moose, Bradley and Berrian next season, though I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears draft another WR. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft another TE.

 

Yeah Moose, Bradley, Berrian and even Gage is a nice foursome to have in there. Especially if the latter 3 start to blossom. And the better Grossman gets, the better these guys will look too. Even at the Bears "weak" spots (with the exception of TE which you noted above), they have young talent that is hopefully only going to get better. I really think this Bears team is going to only continue to get better. This isn't like '03 where it's a fluke thing...I think this is really the start of a nice run here for the Bears.

[goonys evil twin]

Giving Moose a C is probably fair. He could have bumped that to a B if he'd not had as many drops as he's had, but he's been pretty solid. I'm actually pretty excited at the thought of Moose, Bradley and Berrian next season, though I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears draft another WR. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft another TE.

 

Yeah Moose, Bradley, Berrian and even Gage is a nice foursome to have in there. Especially if the latter 3 start to blossom. And the better Grossman gets, the better these guys will look too. Even at the Bears "weak" spots (with the exception of TE which you noted above), they have young talent that is hopefully only going to get better. I really think this Bears team is going to only continue to get better. This isn't like '03 where it's a fluke thing...I think this is really the start of a nice run here for the Bears.

 

I think they can stay away from drafting WR early next year. TE is a must, and some younger O line depth would be valuable to develop. But I'd also like to see them keep drafting 3rd and 4th round defenders that they've had great success turning into solid regulars. These players are very cheap for their first few years, and can be used to plug holes when the current defenders start getting more expensive. I'd also like to see them draft a QB late. They should draft one every other year. With Rex and Kyle fighting for the starting job next year, a rookie could sit and learn for a few years without much pressure. With Orton's experience he'll be fine for the backup next season. And I'd rather have my 3rd guy be a potential starter down the road than a journeyman.

[brinoch]

Giving Moose a C is probably fair. He could have bumped that to a B if he'd not had as many drops as he's had, but he's been pretty solid. I'm actually pretty excited at the thought of Moose, Bradley and Berrian next season, though I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears draft another WR. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft another TE.

 

Yeah Moose, Bradley, Berrian and even Gage is a nice foursome to have in there. Especially if the latter 3 start to blossom. And the better Grossman gets, the better these guys will look too. Even at the Bears "weak" spots (with the exception of TE which you noted above), they have young talent that is hopefully only going to get better. I really think this Bears team is going to only continue to get better. This isn't like '03 where it's a fluke thing...I think this is really the start of a nice run here for the Bears.

 

I think they can stay away from drafting WR early next year. TE is a must, and some younger O line depth would be valuable to develop. But I'd also like to see them keep drafting 3rd and 4th round defenders that they've had great success turning into solid regulars. These players are very cheap for their first few years, and can be used to plug holes when the current defenders start getting more expensive. I'd also like to see them draft a QB late. They should draft one every other year. With Rex and Kyle fighting for the starting job next year, a rookie could sit and learn for a few years without much pressure. With Orton's experience he'll be fine for the backup next season. And I'd rather have my 3rd guy be a potential starter down the road than a journeyman.

 

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work. With the exception of TE, I must add. Definitely need a TE. The Bears ought to draft another solid DB for the secondary, too. Azumah's hip is problematic, and I think he's a free agent this year, so I'd look to see him replaced. If not him, then Green can go. Vasher-Harris-Brown-Tillman with Azumah/Green and the rookie is a good rotation. I'd probably try and nab the best LB I could to replace Hillenmeyer, who is a restricted free agent and may get an offer we can't afford to match. Augmenting the D-line would also be nice. Another good interior lineman would be a huge.

[RynoRules]

I heard someone on ESPN Radio (national, not local) killing Grossman for being inaccurate and not throwing for enough yardage. I guess that guy missed Moose dropping three passes, including one sure TD. What would Grossman's line have been if Moose catches two of those three, including the TD, which Grossman put right in his hands? These "journalists" should try knowing what they are talking about before they start flapping their gums.

[goonys evil twin]

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work.

 

Never? There have been some amazing all-time great franchise tackles taken very early. Tait was a first round draft pick (14th overall). I would have no problem if they selected a top notch tackle in the first, they should be somewhere around the mid 20's, so they won't be getting a huge impact player, regardless. I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th for centers and guards though, and I'd take a late project for any O line position.

[brinoch]

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work.

 

Never? There have been some amazing all-time great franchise tackles taken very early. Tait was a first round draft pick (14th overall). I would have no problem if they selected a top notch tackle in the first, they should be somewhere around the mid 20's, so they won't be getting a huge impact player, regardless. I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th for centers and guards though, and I'd take a late project for any O line position.

 

I meant for the Bears.

[Magnetic Curses]

Giving Moose a C is probably fair. He could have bumped that to a B if he'd not had as many drops as he's had, but he's been pretty solid. I'm actually pretty excited at the thought of Moose, Bradley and Berrian next season, though I wouldn't mind seeing the Bears draft another WR. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft another TE.

 

Yeah Moose, Bradley, Berrian and even Gage is a nice foursome to have in there. Especially if the latter 3 start to blossom. And the better Grossman gets, the better these guys will look too. Even at the Bears "weak" spots (with the exception of TE which you noted above), they have young talent that is hopefully only going to get better. I really think this Bears team is going to only continue to get better. This isn't like '03 where it's a fluke thing...I think this is really the start of a nice run here for the Bears.

 

I think they can stay away from drafting WR early next year. TE is a must, and some younger O line depth would be valuable to develop. But I'd also like to see them keep drafting 3rd and 4th round defenders that they've had great success turning into solid regulars. These players are very cheap for their first few years, and can be used to plug holes when the current defenders start getting more expensive. I'd also like to see them draft a QB late. They should draft one every other year. With Rex and Kyle fighting for the starting job next year, a rookie could sit and learn for a few years without much pressure. With Orton's experience he'll be fine for the backup next season. And I'd rather have my 3rd guy be a potential starter down the road than a journeyman.

 

i disagree. i'd rather have one clear-cut starter, as grossman will be if he can stay healthy, one young QB a year or two out of school, as orton will be, and one experienced journeyman.