Mets Taking Step Back in 2024; Pete Alonso Just Became a Lot More Gettable

1.5 years of control, 28, recent wrist injury, eye popping power outpaces his overall value.

I would 100% take him and pay a pretty good chunk of prospect value for him, but I'm not drooling over him and I'm betting there's a team out there willing to pay more than I want to 

This doesn't make sense. The guy who has spent the most money is suddenly not going to be all in on Ohtani? Because I'm pretty sure saying you plan to take a step back, a year after not making the playoffs, isn't a selling point for a guy who wants to win

2 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

This doesn't make sense. The guy who has spent the most money is suddenly not going to be all in on Ohtani? Because I'm pretty sure saying you plan to take a step back, a year after not making the playoffs, isn't a selling point for a guy who wants to win

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Max Scherzer did not think he would be traded. He was not, in his words, “itching to jump ship.” But he said he agreed to waive his no-trade clause when Mets owner Steve Cohen and general manager Billy Eppler informed him the team was taking a step back next season and building more for the future.

“I talked to Billy,” Scherzer told The Athletic. “I was like, ‘OK, are we reloading for 2024?’ He goes, ‘No, we’re not. Basically our vision now is for 2025-2026, ‘25 at the earliest, more like ‘26. We’re going to be making trades around that.’

“I was like, ‘So the team is not going to be pursuing free agents this offseason or assemble a team that can compete for a World Series next year?’ He said, ‘No, we’re not going to be signing the upper-echelon guys. We’re going to be on the smaller deals within free agency. ‘24 is now looking to be more of a kind of transitory year.’”

Just now, Transmogrified Tiger said:

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That's nuts. LOLMets lives!

2 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

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I now have whiplash after reading those three paragraphs.

Rumor:  Mets suck.

The Mets will forever provide entertainment to the rest of baseball and not in a way that Mets fans will like.

I think the Mets are smart here. They went for it hard, it didn't work, and now they've used their financial advantage to get more talent in the system. Some people are speculating that this means that they are out on Ohtani. I think just the opposite is the case. He may be a big part of the re-tool. He may not want to go to the East Coast though. 

50 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I think the Mets are smart here. They went for it hard, it didn't work, and now they've used their financial advantage to get more talent in the system. Some people are speculating that this means that they are out on Ohtani. I think just the opposite is the case. He may be a big part of the re-tool. He may not want to go to the East Coast though. 

Ohtani is not going to going to go to a team where he may have to wait two years to be on a competitive team, especially after being on a bad Angels team for so long.

1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

I think the Mets are smart here. They went for it hard, it didn't work, and now they've used their financial advantage to get more talent in the system. Some people are speculating that this means that they are out on Ohtani. I think just the opposite is the case. He may be a big part of the re-tool. He may not want to go to the East Coast though. 

If you believe this than you are either saying Cohen lied to Verlander and Scherzer or they lied to the media about what was said. It was clearly stated he was going to step back a year or two. They paid a lot of money to get higher end prospects that could be easy in a year or two. I don’t see how they then give Ohtani $50M+ a year on top of what they are still paying those other pitchers, and be well over $300M in payroll, to not compete in 24’. I think they are not in on Ohtani. 
However you might be right. Ohtani may have already given them the impression he doesn’t want to play in NY. He wouldn’t ever say that exact thing. That wouldn’t be smart. But maybe there is a strong suspicion he would rather not be there. So Cohen decided to kick the can down the road a little. 
 

25 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Ohtani is not going to going to go to a team where he may have to wait two years to be on a competitive team, especially after being on a bad Angels team for so long.

This is a good reason for the Cubs to have at least tried this year. I agree Ohtani is going to want to win. 

Looking at Mets Milb prospects does not look like they have a guy who is cracking into the majors until maybe next year and most are not till 2025 or 2026. 

So Met's fans think Alonso is getting 6/180 in free agency. That seems crazy to me for a 1B who is going to be turning 30 about the same time he signs his contract, He does rake, but he loses value pretty much everywhere  else. Maybe my feel for contracts is slipping but that seems a lot for a guy who is more or less a DH exiting his prime. 

PS: while we all ponder this, enjoy Pete taking a pop fly in the face during last night's game

2 hours ago, Chaze2k1 said:

Looking at Mets Milb prospects does not look like they have a guy who is cracking into the majors until maybe next year and most are not till 2025 or 2026. 

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4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

So Met's fans think Alonso is getting 6/180 in free agency. That seems crazy to me for a 1B who is going to be turning 30 about the same time he signs his contract, He does rake, but he loses value pretty much everywhere  else. Maybe my feel for contracts is slipping but that seems a lot for a guy who is more or less a DH exiting his prime. 

PS: while we all ponder this, enjoy Pete taking a pop fly in the face during last night's game

 

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

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If he gets 6 years, I think that it will be in the 140 million range.

Sort of related, thank God we didn't sign Abreu. What a catastrophe.

Alonso isn’t my favorite style of player but I wouldn’t poop my pants over a juicy extension when paired with Ohtani (who they’re going to sign):

- He’s not just good HR hitter but a historic one

- His EVs, flyballs, barrels, and hard contact rates address stuff the Cubs are terrible at. Good plate discipline too with his CSW inflated by a huge 19% called strike rate (well over the career 15 including back to back 13)

- I acknowledge Mervis and BJ Murray when saying: the Cubs don’t have any obvious 1B options coming up anytime soon 

He’s running a .354 wOBA and .379 xwOBA, is as good as ever under the hood including a big improvement in chase…Could be in line for a bit of a renaissance in 2024

3 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Sort of related, thank God we didn't sign Abreu. What a catastrophe.

I never understood why we were linked to him. He had all the looks of a guy going over a cliff and oh what do you know

2 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Alonso isn’t my favorite style of player but I wouldn’t poop my pants over a juicy extension when paired with Ohtani (who they’re going to sign):

- He’s not just good HR hitter but a historic one

- His EVs, flyballs, barrels, and hard contact rates address stuff the Cubs are terrible at. Good plate discipline too with his CSW inflated by a huge 19% called strike rate (well over the career 15 including back to back 13)

- I acknowledge Mervis and BJ Murray when saying: the Cubs don’t have any obvious 1B options coming up anytime soon 

He’s running a .354 wOBA and .379 xwOBA, is as good as ever under the hood including a big improvement in chase…Could be in line for a bit of a renaissance in 2024

Somewhere, Haydn McGeary makes a sad face for no apparent reason...

Man FA this year has been a mixed bag.  Are any of the offseason kings even going to make the playoffs? 

Man FA this year has been a mixed bag.  Are any of the offseason kings even going to make the playoffs?