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I'm afraid of what we'd have to give up for him. Actually Vick would be a decent guy for Turners type of play calling.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/21 That was us last year.

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp. I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman. Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down. It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him. Maybe but with all the Lovie talk about Rex being the QB made me think that he was doing it to build up his confidence. Sure, cuz you want to get the best out of him since you had to ride him out for the season...but if you can get someone in there to compete for the job, then you won't have to coddle him so much. IMO that's one of Lovie's strengths, his person skills. I think he got a read on Grossman and thus the coddling to get the most out of him. I really think, again my opinion, that Grossman is too thin skinned and Lovie treated him the way he thought he needed to be treated to get the most out of his ability. Bringing a backup in just crushes that and all that was gained confidence wise may be lost. Of course this may be a sink or swim thing for Grossman if this trade happend and it would be a time for him to step up or fad away.

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp. I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman. Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down. It was pretty clear to me during the Superbowl, that the Bears have very little confidence in Grossman. He wasn't asked to do anything in that game until the 4th. They made every effort to hide him. Maybe but with all the Lovie talk about Rex being the QB made me think that he was doing it to build up his confidence.

I wonder if they would take Griese for Carr, stright up. Griese and a late round pick for Carr? I'd be interested. I'd let Grossman and Carr battle it out in camp. I'd definitely be interested. A little competition may help Grossman. Or hurt him. It looked to me that Lovie was trying to build up his confidence and this move would shoot that all work down.

He may force the Yanks to make a move if this fan hate continues. I'd like to see the Cubs take a shot at him but only if he is playing SS.

interesting. Is he stretching out to start? I know they've pinned him for the bullpen, but throwing that many pitches this early says rotation to me. Why, I've seen him throw that many in 2 innings! That's normal for even relievers to throw a lot of pitches warming up. I hope he didn't feel any pain or discomfort during or after. But in January? Certainly. You have to build up the whole body for the season and throwing 50 is a good start. What I would like to see is how well he throws the next couple of times out because it's usually the recovery time that gets you.

interesting. Is he stretching out to start? I know they've pinned him for the bullpen, but throwing that many pitches this early says rotation to me. Why, I've seen him throw that many in 2 innings! That's normal for even relievers to throw a lot of pitches warming up. I hope he didn't feel any pain or discomfort during or after.

I think the Cubs were recruiting Smartz to sign and that was the reason a lot of people think that way.

What is it on Chris? I actually forgot about the halftime show. I taped the game. I knew that I wouldn't be able to watch much more than the 1st quarter so I hit record and let it run. After the Colts won the game I let the tape continue recording ESPNEWS for the postgame. Here's the show on Youtube Thanks!

What is it on Chris? I actually forgot about the halftime show.

How many schools is Tolliver going to sign with? :D

True, but the subtle things the minor characters to is great. Indeed they are.

Kelly is a double threat for the show.

It's great to hear, from a pitcher who relied so heavily on striking out batters in the minors, that there's value to saving pitches. He just figured this out? Did Greg Maddux need to tell him this? yeah, what a loser. i wish he were dead. Lame. Let's all go forward on this thread, please? Thanks.

We probably stole a few guys from Northeastern and Colgate in some major recruiting moves this year. I'm hoping these coaches really evaluated well because there are not too many 4 or 5 star guys on the list. I think next year will be our year because the coaches have been here long enough to develop a relationship with the HS Soph's, Juniors and coaches.

"SHUT UP ANGELA!" I think it was Phylis that yelled that when Angela said didn't want the stripper. I thought that was funny. They all have their moments but I have to go with Pam.

Two reasons this is true. 1) Lovie and Ron showed an unwavering faith in Rex, and that will carry over to next year. 2) The possibilities for bringing in a better QB through FA or the draft are basically zero. The McNabb rumors are nothing more than that, rumors. There was a previous question about whether the Bears should give up their #1 pick for a QB. Given who's available, and given how strongly the Bears have drafted over the past few years, the answer is no. While I agree that the QB spot will probably remain the same, I disagree with the assertion that the unwavering faith will carry over to next year. The Bears were willing to live through Rex's growing pains in his first full season, but if he's having the same troubles in his second season, I could see them easily making a change. In fact I don't think he's guaranteed the starter position. If Orton or Griese has a better camp, I think you could see a change. Griese clearly had the better preseason in 2006 and Lovie and Turner went with Grossman. I can't see another pre-season struggle by Rex causing Lovie to give Griese the starting QB job. Orton's upside is capped, he just doesn't have the talent to be anything more than a backup who can come in and avoid mistakes. You Bear fans know this better than I do but with Turners throw the ball downfield theory isn't the better option Grossman? If they were more West Coast I could see Griese as being the choice but not with this offensive scheme. Plus I heard that Greise had shoulder problems and his arm looked weak. Is Turner's "throw the ball downfield" theory because he's using the strengths of the QB though? They didn't throw downfield a lot with Orton because it wasn't his strength. (Well and he just didn't know all of the plays.) Why would they have signed Griese if he wasn't a QB that would fit the offensive philosophy? I don't know, that's why I asked.

So now we can say that it wasn't McPhails genus behind the Twins winning and developing players? I think the Cubbies got the wrong guy from the Twins.

Two reasons this is true. 1) Lovie and Ron showed an unwavering faith in Rex, and that will carry over to next year. 2) The possibilities for bringing in a better QB through FA or the draft are basically zero. The McNabb rumors are nothing more than that, rumors. There was a previous question about whether the Bears should give up their #1 pick for a QB. Given who's available, and given how strongly the Bears have drafted over the past few years, the answer is no. While I agree that the QB spot will probably remain the same, I disagree with the assertion that the unwavering faith will carry over to next year. The Bears were willing to live through Rex's growing pains in his first full season, but if he's having the same troubles in his second season, I could see them easily making a change. In fact I don't think he's guaranteed the starter position. If Orton or Griese has a better camp, I think you could see a change. Griese clearly had the better preseason in 2006 and Lovie and Turner went with Grossman. I can't see another pre-season struggle by Rex causing Lovie to give Griese the starting QB job. Orton's upside is capped, he just doesn't have the talent to be anything more than a backup who can come in and avoid mistakes. You Bear fans know this better than I do but with Turners throw the ball downfield theory isn't the better option Grossman? If they were more West Coast I could see Griese as being the choice but not with this offensive scheme. Plus I heard that Greise had shoulder problems and his arm looked weak.

co-sign If Grossman is the choice for 2007 you bet they have to upgrade the O-Line. Just curious on a couple of deals for the Bears and the fans thoughts. Lovie to the Cowboys for a few draft picks and then swing them over to the Eagles plus some extra ones/Grossman for McNabb?

I'd rather win. Me too. Just win bay-bay. Obviously I'd rather win. And if not playing Murton somehow increased their chances of winning, then I'd be all for it. I just don't see the correlation. And I am not certain that there is a correlation between Murton and winning. I like Murton more than I like Floyd and would prefer he get the lion's share of ABs, but I am not certain he holds the key to the season. No one player holds the key to the season. People always like to come up with their "this has to happen" scenario for winning and losing, but it's never up to one guy. But Murton is pretty good and could be very good. Plus, he provides something that most other Cubs hitters can't. If the Cubs are confident that Floyd could play a decent amount this year that would help in moving Jones. His still being there is throwing me off until Mr. Hendry makes a decision on what to do with him.

This is tough because I want to vote for Creed but he just isn't on enough.

I'm getting nervous, Sully hasn't been posting for awhile now and the Reds are winning the arms race, somethings up.

I'd rather win. Me too. Just win bay-bay. Obviously I'd rather win. And if not playing Murton somehow increased their chances of winning, then I'd be all for it. I just don't see the correlation. The other 3 OF's having career years. I see what you're saying but if Murton is getting 350 AB's and hitting 330 too this team could win a lot of games. No matter what you'd have a banger on the bench too.