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Going somewhere, Soto? Yes, to the Yankees
JD94 replied to Bobson Dugnutt's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Ohtani > Soto. If you can get Ohtani now, you do it. He’s the best player in the game. I’d hate to pass on Ohtani to save a little money and give up assets for Soto and then he walk after next year and you don’t get either star long term. Now if we miss on Ohtani, absolutely pivot to Soto and do all you can to resign him next offseason. If I’m choosing though, I’m going all in on Ohtani now. -
I’m starting to get excited for this offseason.
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Going somewhere, Soto? Yes, to the Yankees
JD94 replied to Bobson Dugnutt's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I understand that. I wouldn’t like kick my dog or anything if Wicks was in a Soto trade, but I can also see him being a pretty reliable #3 or #4 starter for the next 6 years. I guess I’m just worried what the near future would look like without him in the rotation. I mean my though process on Wicks could change quickly if the Cubs go sign Yamamoto and trade for a young SP, I’m just not sure if that happens. I do feel like the Padres would be more interested in Brown anyways. He has more upside, and I’d be fine with that. Wicks just feels safer than Brown to me because I’ve seen Wicks have success in the majors. Brown is very “hit or miss” to this point in the minors. One day he looks elite, the next he’s getting knocked all over the park. -
Going somewhere, Soto? Yes, to the Yankees
JD94 replied to Bobson Dugnutt's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Just curious… who, if anybody, would be untouchable for you in a Soto trade? PCA and Horton? Would Wicks? For me it’s PCA, Horton, & Wicks. I’m good with anybody else. I would put Ferris in the untouchable group also, though I doubt they are looking for somebody that’s 2-3+ years away anyways. -
Apparently Ohtani and his agent want to keep things very quiet during his process of picking a team. He doesn’t want the outside noise of everybody knowing which teams he meets with and all that. I imagine there won’t be many rumors leading up to his signing as far as specific teams and numbers and what not. They aren’t going to talk and I doubt the teams that are in it will talk and risk that hurting them signing him.
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Agreed. At worst, he’s going to be here 9/12 months of the year. I think being more comfortable here would be more important than an extra 4 hour flight now and then.
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We have to be pretty horsefeathers appealing then. Large market team, can market the hell out of his brand, plenty of money, almost a playoff team without a superstar like him, top 3 farm system based on whose list you use that’s only going to help moving forward via trades or supplementing big league needs, just hired arguably the best manager in baseball, already a Japanese presence on the team with Suzuki (that’s not a make or break thing, but you have to imagine that’s a big positive - it would be for me if I were going to Japan and the roles were reversed). It’s all there. Everything he could possibly want is here.
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https://x.com/cubszone/status/1723386339209421161?s=46&t=iRdezfuJVGBU0wPvMftX0w
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Let’s just say for ***** and giggles that package 2 is Soto on a 10 year extension and package 1 is Ohtani for 10 years no opt outs. Package 2 is Hoskins rather than Turner or Candy.
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This is kind of fun… which would you choose? 1 or 2
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For sure. Too much smoke at this point. Man if we walk away with one of Soto or Ohtani, that would be unreal. Those are 2 of my most favorite players in the game. I’ve dreamed of one of them being a Cub for years. I wish we could afford both, but I just don’t see them spending $70M on those 2 next year. That leaves them no wiggle room for another SP, relievers, etc. It won’t happen but if it did, you could just move Happ to 1B and play Soto in LF.
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If nothing else, he’s a good follow to keep up with the latest rumors you might’ve missed. He’s either sourced or regurgitates someone else’s info, either way, you’re still getting info lol.
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They definitely wouldn’t trade him. Not yet. They still have plenty of time before he hits free agency to build around him before they have to decide whether to trade him or not. Those same Royals held on to Whit Merrifield for years while he lost all trade value when they had no path to contend.
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Don’t think he has any inside info, but I must admit, I still follow him because I love rumors.
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Buster Olney reporting that there in a 100% chance Juan Soto is traded this offseason.
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I think Ohtani is a different deal than most. He’s so unique and the best player in baseball. I personally feel like if you’re connected to Ohtani it’s because you’re willing to sit at the big boy table. Like Bellinger for example, a lot of teams will check in and test the waters because nobody is exactly sure what kind of money he will get. So there will be more rumors around his signing. Only a few teams can and would pay Ohtani, so fewer rumors. The rumors is what makes the offseason fun to me. I love them lol
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Getting outbid by an AAV of $5M isn’t what I’d call getting “outbid by a wide margin.” When I think getting outbid by a wide margin, I think the Cubs coming in at a high AAV with less years to lower to total money. And if that’s the case, then why even waste everybody’s time? This isn’t to say you or Sharma are wrong, maybe I’m misinterpreting what “wide margin” means in this scenario. The difference between 400 and 450 over 10 years isn’t that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. ETA: Also if you’re willing to do 400, then why wouldn’t you do 450 if that is 100% your guy and 450 would get it done? That just doesn’t make sense to me.
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I just disagree with the last sentence. You don’t waste your time pursuing Ohtani if you’re not ready to pony up. You can’t be half in, trying to get “cute” with a high AAV/shorter term contract or whatever. All you’re doing is wasting your time and Shohei’s time also. If you’re in it, and it’s reported you’re in it, it’s because you’re willing to go $400+M over however many years. You don’t waste everybody’s time by saying “okay Shohei, we are offering $250M over 6 years. Do we have a deal?!” You’re either willing to sit at the big boy table, or you’re not. Every team, every GM, every owner all knows the score going into this deal.
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This feels real at this point.
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Yeah I agree. This feels more like a leverage play than anything. Losing Snell and Hader and not being willing to resign them, or replace them, due to financial constraints obviously doesn’t scream “playoff caliber team.” They would get more trading Soto now. They get a better prospect return and open up an extra ~$30M. If reports are true that they want to stay around a $200M payroll, they would then have a little financial flexibility to add and still be around where they want to be after trading Soto. Add in if they got a player back like a Morel they could automatically slot into their lineup. That just makes way more sense for them IMO than waiting.
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The Athletic also just reported that the Padres would likely wait until the deadline to trade Soto. I don’t understand that if they decide to do that. Maybe it’s just leverage to put that out there as in, “hey if you don’t give us what we want, we will just hold onto him for now.” You can’t justify trading Juan Soto in July if you’re right there in the race.
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The Athletic reporting that if Alonso is traded, it would likely be to either the Cubs, Giants, or Mariners.
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Yeah unless they have Vladdy Jr over there playing 1b, I don’t see them saying “no, Jed… we absolutely will not play Morel at 1B even though you’ve asked so nicely.” I’m sure there is give and take involved, but I would imagine as long as it’s not something crazy, they would be willing to cooperate with MLB GM’s in these situations. As you said, it certainly sounds like Jed asked them to play Morel at 1B.
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Going somewhere, Soto? Yes, to the Yankees
JD94 replied to Bobson Dugnutt's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I’d move anybody not named Horton or PCA for Soto. Not for 1 year and I’m not even guaranteed to extend him. Obviously we’ve seen time and time again all you have to do is make the playoffs and be hot at the right time, but on paper, we aren’t a Juan Soto away from WS contenders. Going all in and trading one of, if not the best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball to go all in on WS or bust doesn’t make a whole hell of a lot of sense for this current Cubs team. -
Which is exactly why I needed clarification on the context lol. I literally got a notification from Bleacher Report— Boras: Soto Not Being Traded. I can breathe a sigh of relief now.
