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I saw it on WGN and AJP was going after his helmet. His helmet clearly went behind Barrett. Yeah you could tell because Pierzynski was mouthing "look my helmet" and dragged his hands along the ground in a direct path towards the helmet. Does anyone really think AJP got up to go after Barrett? If AJP actually was going after Barrett, then that's the worst attempt I've seen to chase someone down. According to the players, Barret grabbed AJP and said, "I didn't have the ball ****," then threw a right cross. AJP didn't say anything before getting hit. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBTECs-G0F4&search=barrett%20cubs I don't think AJP was trying to go after Barrett. Pierzynski inflicted his damage when he flattened Barrett. He didn't need to do anything else.

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too. pierre sucks just like hill. i can admit being wrong. it's just baseball.... Were you the one who admitted that in another thread earlier today? I remember somebody admitted building up Pierre in the offseason and I'm curious if it was you or not. I'm too lazy to look through a bunch of threads. BTW, I had high hopes for Pierre and thought it was a great move by the Cubs to pick him up. I wasn't on this board at that time, so you'll just have to trust me on that one.

I had to vote yes because I don't think the Cubs can do any worse without him then they did with him.

At least Aramis is playing right now so he has the potential to.

I don't think a firesale happens at least until DLee has been back for a while if at all. Management probably wants to see how the full team will perform. I don't necessarily agree with this, but I think this is how they're going about things.

I highly doubt the umpires would allow a player to bean more than two hitters and I wouldn't be surprised if they started tossing people after one hbp.

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from? Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread. We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous. I didn't say he shouldn't comment because he got hit hard today. I meant that he shouldn't comment because he's been hit hard his whole, albeit short career. Hill was basically talking trash to Pierzynski which I don't think is right considering he's basically a rookie. He's the last person who should be talking trash. The fact that he was 10-20 feet from the play doesn't matter at all because Hill didn't offer any extra insight into the situation. To sum up Hill's quote: Pierzynski is bush league. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said anything, but there is no reason to talk trash to the opposing team who, by the way, has just handily defeated your team two days in a row. You seriously think that's trash talking? Hill called Pierzynski "gutless", called the play "pathetic", and said Pierzynski wasn't playing the game the right way. The only thing Hill forgot to do was insult Pierzynski's manhood.

I can't hate the Cubs. I don't know why, I just can't. They would be the last of my favorite temas that I would ever give up on. I may not go out of my way to watch as many games as I can, but if a game is on, I'm going to watch. Of course, there are exceptions like Woody's first start (which I skipped class for) and I will probably do the same for Prior when he comes back. The difference from year to year is how much of an effort I make to watch the games. I may not agree with their moves, but players, managers, and management come and go but the Cubs as an organization don't go anywhere.

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from? Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread. We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous. I didn't say he shouldn't comment because he got hit hard today. I meant that he shouldn't comment because he's been hit hard his whole, albeit short career. Hill was basically talking trash to Pierzynski which I don't think is right considering he's basically a rookie. He's the last person who should be talking trash. The fact that he was 10-20 feet from the play doesn't matter at all because Hill didn't offer any extra insight into the situation. To sum up Hill's quote: Pierzynski is bush league. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said anything, but there is no reason to talk trash to the opposing team who, by the way, has just handily defeated your team two days in a row.

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from? Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

Or Derrek Lee.

What's next, Jeremy Giambi?

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

I saw it on WGN and AJP was going after his helmet. His helmet clearly went behind Barrett. I'm talking about after Barrett decked Pierzynski. After that, both the ump and Podsednik got in the way of Barrett.

You seem to have missed the point. What happens if that ball gets cut off and Pierzynski still runs over Barrett? I don't see how it's much different because in both situations, Barrett doesn't have the ball. Yes, Barrett overreacted after he got steamrolled. But Pierzynski has to be held accountable for instigating everything. What if it does get cut off? Players are taught to blast a catcher who is blocking the plate, in an attempt to jar the ball loose. I don't think anyone is teaching the "just slide because the ball might have been cut off" technique. AJ's an ass, but he did what any other ballplayer would have done, including Barrett. Mike's just frustrated as hell right now, and I don't blame him. I appreciate that he still cares in the face of this travesty. If it does get cut off I'm sure many people on this board would be singing a completely different tune right about now even if Barrett decks Pierzynski. People would be talking about how classless it was for Pierzynski to run over Barrett when the ball wasn't even coming to the plate. I highly doubt that "any other player" would have bowled over the catcher. Are you telling me that Juan Pierre would try and run over a catcher in his way? Absolutely not. And please spare me the "Juan Pierre never get's on base and the Cubs couldn't drive him in anyway" spiel because I've heard it already (not directed at you Soul but the board in general).

You seem to have missed the point. What happens if that ball gets cut off and Pierzynski still runs over Barrett? I don't see how it's much different because in both situations, Barrett doesn't have the ball. Yes, Barrett overreacted after he got steamrolled. But Pierzynski has to be held accountable for instigating everything.

My parents went to Vegas a few weeks ago, before the DLee injury, and my mom did put money on the Cubs to win the series. She did make other bets, but this was one of them.

I posted this in the "Barrett" thread but I figure it should have it's own thread. Why couldn't Pierzynski have slid? There was no reason to bowl over Barrett. I don't care about where the ball was and whether or not Pierzynski knew where it was. He had no intentions of sliding whether the ball was there or not. What happens if the throw gets cut off? Then Pierzynski runs Barrett over for absolutely no reason at all. Pierzynski should have slid just like Jeremy Giambi should have slid in the postseason a few years ago for the A's against the Yankees. I don't think Barrett reacted in the right way, but Pierzynski is at least half to blame for this incident.

Why couldn't Pierzynski have slid? There was no reason to bowl over Barrett. I don't care about where the ball was and whether or not Pierzynski knew where it was. He had no intentions of sliding whether the ball was there or not. What happens if the throw gets cut off? Then Pierzynski runs Barrett over for absolutely no reason at all. Pierzynski should have slid just like Jeremy Giambi should have slid in the postseason a few years ago for the A's against the Yankees. I don't think Barrett reacted in the right way, but Pierzynski is at least half to blame for this incident. I started up a new thread for this discussion here: http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=31958

I just saw the replays on Baseball Tonight. It seemed like Pierzynski wasn't going to get anything else. Not only did the umpire hold Barrett back but Podsednik got in his way as well. If anyone was saved from a beatdown, it was Podsednik.

I know it's not saying much, Brenly couldn't do any worse than Dusty. As for Stone, Billy Beane gives other GM's the impression he's ripping them off and yet GM's still trade with him. I'm not saying he would be a good GM, but that reason isn't correct.

It's Derrek. I'm not being mean. I've seen you type it this way a few times and just figured I would correct you. I do agree with everything you and Derwood said though.

Thank god it will be overshadowed by the brawl so Sportscenter can't gush over it for an entire hour. What? You know ESPN better than that? Bonds doing anything > the rest of MLB combined is their philosophy. I was being sarcastic. Now we'll get to hear Tim Kurkjian and Pedro Gomez gush over Bonds for an hour. Wonderful.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I've been doing that for a while now. I'm dissapointed we won the Nationals series. There was a hope if we got swept by them and the Sox, some change might be made. I've given up hope on change being made during the season. I just don't think Hendry has the balls to fire Dusty. I think if anything that Dusty will not be resigned but unfortunately, I don't see him getting fired.