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http://www.fishstripes.com/story/2005/10/23/11047/956 I searched on Google for "Juan Pierre trade" and this is what ame up. That trade would sure have been nice eh?

Being a Lakers fan I love to say Suckramento Queens. Also, I go to UC Davis and our "rival" is Sacramento State - Suck State.

Sox = Red Sox Sox = White Sox Sox is stupid, just like Cards or Flubs or Scrubs or whatever unclever play on a team's name that can be concocted. All it's going to do is rile people up. My dad refers to the Cubs as the Flubs sometimes. I think it's funny. It's just good natured ribbing. If you get riled up over this maybe you shouldn't be watching baseball. Have you seen some of the shirts that Red Sox fans wear about the Yankees? Calling the White Sox the White Sox is nothing compared to the Red Sox fans.

agreed. root for absolute failure and that means a lot of guys will have sucked. not a good way to go into 2007. I didn't say that I wanted the Cubs to tank the rest of the season. I just said that I didn't think Hendry would fire Baker. Based on that belief, the best case scenario is Baker doesn't get an extention at the end of the season. I didn't say anything about failure.

What makes you right and them wrong? Bonds was well past 400 HR when he supposedly started taking steriods. He has always been a leg-driven power hitter that currently has minimal power from his legs. Who cares how many home runs Bonds hit before he took steroids? I never said that Bonds wasn't a great player before. I've openly admitted that Bonds would have been one of the best to ever play even if he didn't take steroids. I believe Bonds is the only player with 400 HR/400 SB which he achieved in 1998 which is before he started juicing. Are you saying that every player's knees go out when they age? Because if you think that you are horribly wrong. Players get older and all of a sudden they can't swing the bat as quickly anymore or they aren't able to pick up pitches quick enough. But the breakdown Bonds is having is directly tied to steroid use which is the exact same thing that happened to McGwire. My dad is 53 and he can run FAR better than Bonds can right now. The guy juiced heavily and now he's paying for it. I hope he's in pain every day and I hope he suffers. He deserves it.

the more you make him run, the sooner he will be gone? I'd walk him just to make him run the bases. I think McGwire is an even better comparison than Sosa. Agreed. Sosa was done because he stood 8 feet away from the plate and couldn't come close to touching the outside pitch. His body never had the chance to fully break down on him. McGwire and Bonds are deteriorating before our very eyes.

Honestly, I think the best thing Cubs fans can hope for is Baker not being offered an extention. I think he'll finish out the season and management will determine what to do with him after that. But I just don't see him getting fired.

Sox = Red Sox Sox = White Sox

I just saw it and I love how the interviewer (Karl Everett?) ended the conversation with "Hall Of Famer Joe Morgan" like it's supposed to bring some credibility to Morgan's statements.

I don't think Dusty is the whole reason but he should have to accept some of the blame.

I know it was one of the three against Philadelphia. I think it was the first game.

It's not like anything has changed. The Cubs are still losing. All the reasons for losing have already been talked about numerous times.

I keep hearing this question numerous times every single day on ESPN whether that is SportsCenter/Around The Horn/PTI, etc but nobody ever mentions the correct reason. A few years of hardcore steroid use is catching up to him. People just say his knees are bad and are wearing down because he's old. Jim Rome was gone last week but I'm sure he's said it at some point because he's the only one who has the balls to. I'm just sick of hearing the same old thing over and over again. Why are people so afraid of mentioning steroids? It just baffles me. EDIT: Another reason I just heard that idiot John Kruk said is it's because of his swing but no mention of steroids. Sure he might not be swinging well, but don't you think that it's because he body is screwed up due to steroids?

Cubs would lose because Rusch would give up 5 HRs before the Cubs even come to bat. That's an excellent point.

And we can't do anything about this.

I'm gonna have to go with either Zambrano or Wood as the DH's.

Absolutely classic. That's sig worthy.

I don't know about any managers bouncing back, but Jason Giambi was quite possibly the most hated man in New York after his grand jury testimony was leaked and he wasn't hitting anything. Now he's hitting and the fans like him.

Maybe Rusch should get the spot start and have a contest: First pitcher to allow 5 home runs loses.

Cedeno is kind of a pre-steriod, pre-Arod/Tejada/Nomar/Jeter throw back. I think he will be a good-not-great SS for a long time. Both He and Murton have more than held their own so far in their first full season. I agree and think Cedeno will definately be solid major league player. Maybe not great, but he'll have a long career.

Actually lots of people make a living hitting minor league pitching. It's just not a very prosperous one. Just because you want to dismiss minor league production doesn't mean it can't be included in rational debate. You said all signs indicated he couldn't hit lefties. I think a large amount of minor league at bats can easily outwiegh a handful of major league at bats spread out over multiple years, as well as personel decisions made by the Cubs. It's your opinion that he can't hit lefties, but you have no more evidence than those that say he might be able to if given a chance. It's been stated before in this thread because it's an important fact to remember, even though you insist on ignoring it. My point on minor league hitting is that just because some guy tears up minor league pitching doesn't mean that he's going to tear up major league pitching. It's the "what have you done for me lately" line. What has Choi done against left handed pitchers at the major league level? Absolutely nothing.

AB's against lefties: 2003: 17 AB 2004: 36 AB 2005: 29 AB 82 AB's total vs. lefties 783 AB's total vs. righties Wow. He just can't hit lefties. It's been proven. In three years, with 82 AB's, he did squat. Hmm... let's do some numbers here on those HR's. 36 HR's in 783 AB's... is 1 HR every 21.75 AB's. 2 HR's in 82 AB's... that's 1 HR every 41 AB's. That's the worst split ever. Okay, not really. It's not even all that surprising. Of course, given the size of, dare I say it, the sample, I find it hard to draw any such conclusion that Choi cannot hit lefties. Indeed, I surmise that if the Cubs had not acquired Karros in 2003, Choi would have had a greater chance against lefties and perhaps, as his minor league career indicated, he would have hit just fine against them. Shouldn't you also ask the question: Why did the Cubs even acquire Karros? Maybe because something was wrong. Every sign out there proves that Choi can't hit lefties. He is average against righties, but he can't hit lefties. You can cite sample size (and yes I have taken a couple statistics classes) but Choi hasn't given me any reason to believe that he'll ever hit left handed pitching well at all. Definately not well enough to play every day. Also, for those of you that think the Cubs should bring Choi back to Chicago, Pittsburgh has 3 left handed starters, Milwaukee has 3, St. Louis has 1, Houston has 2, and Cincinnati has 2. That's 11 out of 25 left handed starters. Choi is not the answer. The Cubs didn't set out to acquire Karros. They set out to get rid of Todd Hundley. The price was taking Grudz and Karros -- and it was a pretty good deal, frankly. Nobody goes into a trade not caring who they get in return. Jim Hendry wanted Grudz and Karros in return. You don't just call up another GM and say "Hey I'm going to give you Todd Hundley, just give me whatever you want to in return. I don't care." You don't do that. Hendry had to have had some idea of what he wanted in return. If he didn't want Karros, he wouldn't have acquired him.

Who cares about minor league pitching? Stop using that as an example. That point has already been stated about 15 in this thread. I GOT YOUR POINT ALREADY. Nobody makes a living hitting minor league pitching.

Holy dear lord, you've changed your opinion. It's magic, I say, magic. Nice try, my foot. You are a contrarian, CubsfaninCA, and you regularly skirt the line of trollish behavior pretty regularly. You've been a dropping into threads in such a fashion almost since you joined the board. I'm all for different opinions and I like a good debate. I don't like when people reiterate the same opinions time again without sufficient support for the argument. Additionally, it's pretty clear that "almost everyone else in baseball" doesn't mean much of anything since we don't have access to their thoughts. I would add the argument, too, that it's pretty clear that there are a lot of baseball clubs that really don't know how to maximize their winning potential. The Cubs are, and have been, a great example of how not to assemble a baseball team. that's really rich. when the information doesn't back one's opinion go personal. take the next lecture to pm. Keep dodging, ducking, dipping, diving and dodging. You may not like it, but you are contrarian. It's not personal and it's not an attack. You take pride in fighting the conventional wisdom of the board. You like pointing out how stats can't do this, and stats can't do that, and how your eyes told you that Choi sucked as a Dodger. Oh, and by the way, since you never read the last PM I sent you, why would I bother sending you any more? If you don't like what I have to say, in what forum I say it, how I behave as a Mod, how and when I moderate, or if you have a problem with me personally, please feel free to contact Tim or 1908. Let him disagree with the board. What's the big deal with it?

AB's against lefties: 2003: 17 AB 2004: 36 AB 2005: 29 AB 82 AB's total vs. lefties 783 AB's total vs. righties Wow. He just can't hit lefties. It's been proven. In three years, with 82 AB's, he did squat. Hmm... let's do some numbers here on those HR's. 36 HR's in 783 AB's... is 1 HR every 21.75 AB's. 2 HR's in 82 AB's... that's 1 HR every 41 AB's. That's the worst split ever. Okay, not really. It's not even all that surprising. Of course, given the size of, dare I say it, the sample, I find it hard to draw any such conclusion that Choi cannot hit lefties. Indeed, I surmise that if the Cubs had not acquired Karros in 2003, Choi would have had a greater chance against lefties and perhaps, as his minor league career indicated, he would have hit just fine against them. Shouldn't you also ask the question: Why did the Cubs even acquire Karros? Maybe because something was wrong. Every sign out there proves that Choi can't hit lefties. He is average against righties, but he can't hit lefties. You can cite sample size (and yes I have taken a couple statistics classes) but Choi hasn't given me any reason to believe that he'll ever hit left handed pitching well at all. Definately not well enough to play every day. Also, for those of you that think the Cubs should bring Choi back to Chicago, Pittsburgh has 3 left handed starters, Milwaukee has 3, St. Louis has 1, Houston has 2, and Cincinnati has 2. That's 11 out of 25 left handed starters. Choi is not the answer.