Transmogrified Tiger

Wow, didn't realize how mediocre Milledge has been this year. My description of Gerut/Cameron was made with little research, so my adjective describing their disparity may be off.

Milledge is better than Pie, and Cameron is a little better than Gerut. So it would definitely take Pie. At least in that incarnation of the deal.

That's basically Gerut, Pie, 15 million and a pitching prospect equivalent, IMO.

1) I dont know. Id probably do the same thing in their situation. Anything to throw off the opposing team....theres a limit which Ill explain in a second. 2) Surprisingly, even in a HS situation, when you have a ball-hog or someone who is just plain arrogant, the fans let him/her have it and sometimes rightly so. I remember one person in particular went something like 2 for 14 from three point range and he got some heat especially from the student section. I do have a limit, though. Threatening a player or his family/friends is way beyond the line even in jest. Also, throwing objects at a player not matter how soft is wrong. I will admit, though, that I wasnt entirely displeased to see J.D. Drew pelted. I have a different experience than you I guess. I've never heard anything of that magnitude towards the team they root for. In my experience, I thought much less of the fans who taunted the other team or myself. In particular, I had a fan heckle me for having "hairy arms"(I was wearing a long sleeve jersey), and try and get on me when I celebrated with my team after a goal. I thought they were morons, and definitely thought less of them and their fan base because of their inane taunts. Like I said earlier, I suppose you have a different experience than me.

I'd be happy to oblige as well.

For crying out loud, NO ONE IS SAYING YOUR OPINION MEANS LESS. NO ONE HAS SAID THAT, NOR IS ANYONE IMPLYING THAT. I'm going to say that one more time to make sure. NO ONE IS SAYING, IMPLYING OR OTHERWISE COMMUNICATING THAT YOUR OPINION MEANS LESS BECAUSE YOU ARE NEW, OR BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT READ SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION. Geez, all anyone did was ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

Uh, I thought the Twins made Joe Mauer the #1 overall selection with Prior being second? :? Bullington went #1 overall in the 2002 draft.

By telling me to go back and read your posts your implying tat I'm not worthy to post on this subject unless I read all of your posts, which also implies that your opinoin is more valid than mine. This quote serves to imply this as well. In case you haven't noticed this is a site for amatuers. Just because some of the poster I'm arguing with have 1000 + posts doesn't meant they know jack about baseball or the Cubs or anything else, and just because I don't have very many posts doesn't mean I don't know jack about baseball or the Cubs. I'm not I know more than you do, I'm just saying that my opinoin is not worth less than yours just because you've bee on this site longer than me. Good grief. YOU ASKED WHY PEOPLE AT THIS SITE DON'T LIKE DUSTY. PEOPLE LINKED YOU TO A SOURCE OF AMPLE INFORMATION TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. They linked you to these debates since you were new, AND WERE UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE OR SEE IN THEM WHEN THEY HAPPENED. No one is saying your opinion means less, they were just trying to answer your question with the most complete information.

Better make sure you're not at work when that happens then. Or, wear a hat to throw or something.

Two things, and I have played HS sports and heard some bad things from fans: 1) What did you think of the fans of those teams? 2) Were those taunts and chants towards members of the team they root for?

Stark just got a phone call on BBTN. He said that Winn is going to SF for Torrealba and Foppert.

Welcome to the forum!

Where did anyone say anything remotely resembling that? Some people suggested that you read about some of the past Dusty debates since you are a relatively new poster, and you asked why people don't like Dusty. No one said that any opinion was more valid because a person has been on the site longer, or anything close to that.

Will Carroll said that the Cubs and Twins are done making deals. Other than that there hasn't been a whole lot else new. Manny didn't start tonight, and there's rampant speculation to the reason for it, ranging from him not showing up at the ballpark, to a trade being consumated.

So would Reyes replace Marquis in the rotation? SD and STL seem to have a decent working relationship(Woody Williams).

If you are only taking into account this years numbers than yes, Moore would rate higher than Dope. But Dope has shown in the past that he can be a legit 40 home run guy. Clearly he hasn't shown that this year, but the potential is undoubtedly there for him to be an above-average offensive first baseman. Moore, who is a full year older than Dope, has many of the same concerns (as you mention) and he doesn't have the immense power potential the Dope possesses. I worry that Moore won't be able to hit enough to play every day at first base (assuming he can't handle third). Dope is only a month younger than Moore. To me it seems that both players have had one big year, and one down year, with Moore's and Dopirak's switched between Low and High A. Neither did anything at Low A at age 19, but Moore got promoted while Dope didn't. My mistake on the age thing. I wouldn't really consider Dope to have recieved a full season at Lansing when he was 19, but that's just nitpicking. The real problem that I have with your argument is saying that "they both had one big year." It is somewhat truthful, Dope has had one season that has gotten him attention, same for Moore. But comparing the two doesn't make sense. Dope hit 39 home runs and hit for a .307 average. Moore is likely to hit about .275 with his home run total in the low-20's. When you take into account league, the difference is smaller, but it is still large. Dope hit 39 home runs, when Moore hits that many and sustains a .300 average I'll start getting really excited about him. I just don't see the same power potential. Cool. Thanks for the explanation.

If you are only taking into account this years numbers than yes, Moore would rate higher than Dope. But Dope has shown in the past that he can be a legit 40 home run guy. Clearly he hasn't shown that this year, but the potential is undoubtedly there for him to be an above-average offensive first baseman. Moore, who is a full year older than Dope, has many of the same concerns (as you mention) and he doesn't have the immense power potential the Dope possesses. I worry that Moore won't be able to hit enough to play every day at first base (assuming he can't handle third). Dope is only a month younger than Moore. To me it seems that both players have had one big year, and one down year, with Moore's and Dopirak's switched between Low and High A. Neither did anything at Low A at age 19, but Moore got promoted while Dope didn't.

Am I the only one who doesn't get the big stink about this guy? Yes he has pretty good power, but his plate discipline is poor (averaging a strikeout a game this year and throughout his professional career) and he's really only having a solid year at a level he played at last season. At least Brandon Sing walks a lot and destroyed the levels that he's repeated. I feel like if Moore had been drafted in the 20th round instead of 8th overall, nobody would think anything of him. I'd also like to point out his errors so far at third base this season. Good point. Scott Moore the first baseman is far less attractive than Scott Moore the third baseman. He's become a solid prospect, but I wouldn't rate him in the top 5. My top five in no particular order: Pie Harvey Dope Cedeno Murton Why is Moore, who has many errors at a more difficult defensive position and much better offensive production, rated lower than Dope? I can understand concerns about Moore, but wouldn't they still hold true with Brian(except with lower BB and K ratios)?

Can you explain why it's not? I'd love to see an upgrade in LF, but Williamson and Nomar have not contributed anything all year, so getting them is much like trading for somebody.

Am I the only one who doesn't get the big stink about this guy? Yes he has pretty good power, but his plate discipline is poor (averaging a strikeout a game this year and throughout his professional career) and he's really only having a solid year at a level he played at last season. At least Brandon Sing walks a lot and destroyed the levels that he's repeated. I feel like if Moore had been drafted in the 20th round instead of 8th overall, nobody would think anything of him. Moore K's a lot, but he's walking at a good clip and hitting for great power in High A ball at age 21. Sing was at the same level at the same age and walked more and struck out less, but was also much less productive. Moore's K's are a lot easier to handle with his power production, in addition to his decent walk rate. His BABIP isn't extremely high(.324), so he should be able to translate his success to other levels.

The Giants have made a late bid for Randy Winn, offering two mid-level prospects, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. A Mariners source told the paper Saturday that there is a 90 percent chance Winn will be dealt before the deadline. The Mariners will likely recall Chris Snelling after Winn goes. Winn could play center and left in San Francisco. Jul. 30 - 7:41 pm et Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer Either the West is an absolute joke or Sabean is off his rocker. I'd say both is also an acceptable answer.

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Floyd out the the line up too? Hmmmmm EDIT: ESPN News boldly just put on the screen: "Manny Ramirez is not going to the Mets" and that he would not be traded. Maybe Cliff Floyd is going someplace else? It's very odd that they are both not in the lineup considering the offense they provide for their prospective teams. :-k Floyd is having a bad week at the plate, and is facing a LH pitcher tonight, who he hasn't been great against this year. He might be getting dealt, but there's enough evidence to suggest that Floyd is just getting a night off.

Lee will get a day off on Monday. No need to bench this years ML's best hitter. He's really been slumping of late. A day off certainly wouldn't hurt.

Pettitte is starting against them, and Floyd has had a bad week at the plate. Could be a day off.