I think you guys are talking across each other's point. Ping makes a very interesting and valid point which I think is thought-provoking. I agree that K's are no better or worse, all things considered, than any other kind of out. While Dunn is an excellent on-base machine and hits for an awful lot of power, Ping is noting that Dunn also works himself into bad counts and is a very average hitter (as compared to the league average) with two strikes. His combined 0-2, 1-2, 2-2, and 3-2 numbers for his career are .150/.273/.305/.578. Compare that to the MLB average with two strikes for 2008: .198/.273/.308/.580. His patience is an asset, of course, but it also seems to hurt him quite a bit as well. If he's taking hittable strikes just to get deep in the count, that's pretty clearly not to his -- or his team's -- advantage. Now, it may be that Dunn is doing as well as he can with his skill set. I don't know. But it's very interesting nonetheless.