C'mon, worst case scenario is 10 wins for the Vikings? How how the heck is the Vikings FLOOR as many wins as they had last year? So if the Williams Wall gets suspended 4 games, Favre's frail body causes him an injury that affects his performance like it has 2 of the last 3 seasons (and is too stubborn to sit bc of his streak, and has too much pull to forcibly be sat down), and Harvin has as little impact as 90% of rookie receivers have, they are still winning 10 games? That's awful homerism on your part. Ask a Packers fan how good they were last year and how many wins they ended up with to find out how wrong you are. Personally, I'd say Vikings 6-11 wins, Bears 7-12 wins and Packers 6-12 wins. As much as I hate the Packers, I think if a good amount of things go well for them they have slightly the highest upside although I'm not necessarily making them the favorites. And that's not me hating on your Vikings either, they have a really good team if Favre can play well (big IF), even if not they have a good enough team to make the playoffs/win division. I didn't phrase that correctly. Clearly I don't mean that worst case scenario for the Vikings is 10 wins, nor did I mean worst case scenario for the Bears is 9 wins. What I was trying to say is that as things stand right now, I see the Vikings between 10-12 wins, Bears between 9-11 and Packers 8-10. Without foreseeing bad things happening to Cutler, Rodgers, Favre, Forte, Peterson, Jennings, Briggs, Allen, Jennings, Woodson, Kampmann, Winfield, Olsen, Urlacher, Williams', etc. As to your points about the Vikings... The Williams' case is almost certainly postponed until after the season. Favre of last year was still much better than what the Vikings got at QB. If he gets knocked out I'm more comfortable with Sage/Tarvaris of this year than Gus/Tarvaris of last year. If Percy doesn't have an impact we have the same receiving corps as last year. He may not be DeSean Jackson of last year, but with the amount of plays they've drawn up just for him he'll have more than a little impact in my opinion. The defense was top 8 last year with a collection of street free agents playing MLB after E.J. Henderson's injury. Getting him and our top special teams player (and his backup) back after missing nearly all of last season, they have a good shot at being a legit top 5 defense in the league. Add that to a top 5 running game and Favre/whoever just has to be slightly better than Gus was. I'm sorry but including things like "chance Favre might get hurt" should be in your ceiling/floor projections. Much more than something like Cutler getting hurt. While both could happen, it is far more likely Favre's 41 year old body succumbs to a hit and starts to play erratically like last year. Also, weren't you the guy who was bragging about Tavaris' 98.whatever QB rating last year to point out how people were underrating him? Now your sorta throwing him under the bus saying that the Vikings won despite him last year. There are a lot of things to be optimistic about if you are a Vikings fan this year (and Bears, and Packers). I'm just saying to be a bit realistic. The funny thing is, the chances of both of us looking like idiots in December is slightly higher than either one of us looking like geniuses with the way the NFL is.