Although I'm not sure how you could be on the ice for 7 goals, and be a minus 4 when your team scores 2 goals, that's absolutely pathetic and embarrassing. I'm starting to dislike Keith in general. being on the ice during a PP goal doesn't count toward +- (i think) I wouldn't go nearly as far as what you said about Keith though. You are right, I knew that. My bad. He's just frustrating sometimes, not consistent, still makes a ton of horrible turnovers in the zone. He does a lot of things right too and is overall a good player but I expect him to be a top tier 2 way defenseman and he's not acting like it most of the time.