I'm guessing we asked for Hand as well as one of the starters (because on of those starters alone for Javy doesn't seem like an asking price worth "balking" at). Dennis Lin, the Padres beat guy, made it sound we definitely wanted more than just the starter, and mentioned Hand too. I mentioned this a while ago, but I would seriously consider Baez for Hand + Gore/Quantrill. I know Gore is super far away, but he has all the makings of being really special. I guess this also means that the Luis Urias at SS experiment is not going so well.