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I don't believe this is true. An official scorer can refuse to give a reliever a WIN when he qualifies, if the official scorer feels another reliever pitched more effectively. This is specifically spelled out in the scoring rules for awarding wins. However, I don't believe the same applies to saves. As long as a pitcher meets the criteria for the save, he will get it, no matter how badly he pitched. You are right about wins. When that most likely comes into play is if the starter leaves the game with the lead but fails to pitch the required five innings to qualify for a win. However, it is also true for a save under one of the qualifications, which is to pitch effectively for at least three innings. In other words, if a pitcher enters a game with a 10 run lead, pitches three innings and gives up 9 runs, the official scorer could rule that he didn't pitch effectively and therefore refuse to award a save. I believe it's automatic for the other two qualifications, but under those two if the pitcher holds the lead it's pretty much a given that means he pitched effectively.
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Yep. I think that was part of the circumstances leading to his demise as a Cub.
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No confidence in the Cubs' offense? I'm shocked! :^o
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Lou's shake-up: Guzman and his 3.18 ERA to pen
NCCubFan replied to windycityfan's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Agreed 100%. He's looking good as a starter this year, so he should stay in the rotation unless he starts to struggle. -
Lou's shake-up: Guzman and his 3.18 ERA to pen
NCCubFan replied to windycityfan's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Just a hunch on my part, but I really think it involves at least one significant trade. The way he was talking to me sounded like more than just shaking up the roles of current players, and if he were just changing the role of current players there would be no need to wait until Monday. -
Or maybe the quality of my team isn't that of a 1-5 team. There's that, too.
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I don't think it is allowable to trade a player on the DL.
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cubs sox series....CTA poster....help needed.....
NCCubFan replied to ronsanto10's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Bueller? -
My team has been truly putrid this week, especially my previously reliable starting pitching. Hopefully they're getting the suckiness out of their system all at once and will get back on the winning track next week. What a difference, beating a 5-0 team one week and getting pulverized by a 1-5 team the next week. Maybe my players were overconfident.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 5-18-2007
NCCubFan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Maybe that's why you were struggling before tonight. You need to listen to the game at the same time you're pitching. :lol: -
That's possible. I know I picked him up in the draft or as a free agent (I forget which) before this season started, and I can't imagine him not having been owned by somebody at some time considering his top prospect status. i thought i may have traded him to you... Actually, you're right. I was curious so I went back and checked, and he was one of the players you traded me for Vlad last year. For some reason I was thinking I picked him up more recently. I may have been thinking of Salty, whom I picked up after Chris dropped him.
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And I'd be happy to throw in Miller and Jones. :D
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The Cubs didn't help by double promoting him twice when he clearly wasn't ready for the jumps. They botched the development of Corey big time. Agreed. I think Baylor is really more to blame for Patterson than Dusty is, since it was Baylor that pushed for him to be called up to rot on the bench just because he might have been useful as a pinch runner. Of course, MacPhail also gets blame for not saying no to Baylor.
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Not true. Miller has blown his spot in the rotation. If he comes back, it's as a reliever. You don't move a productive pitcher out of the rotation to make room for proven failure Miller.
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That's the kiss of death right there.
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That's possible. I know I picked him up in the draft or as a free agent (I forget which) before this season started, and I can't imagine him not having been owned by somebody at some time considering his top prospect status.
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Feel free to send Owings back my way if you don't have room for him. :D
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Pagan's doing his best to change this scenario.
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I think today answered that, and I didn't think he'd be replaced as closer yet anyway (unless he's part of a trade). Admittedly he was worse than putrid last night, but all relievers have stink jobs every now and then, and he's been very good for the most part this year. And today he came right back and was outstanding. I think his job as closer is safe for now (again, barring a trade), but all bets are off if he has a repeat of last night soon.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 5-17-2007
NCCubFan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Maybe he was yanked because he just got called up to the Cubs to replace Eyre. Half right. -
Then McDonough should step in and tell Hendry to release him.
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Does anybody else not like Neal Cotts?
NCCubFan replied to Bote McBoteface's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
So do Howry and Eyre. Oh, wait; they're unpalatable anyway. -
I highly doubt it. You blow a save when you are on the mound as you lose the lead. Dempster wasn't. What I want to know is can you have multiple blown saves in a game where a reliever gives up the lead in the 7th, the team retakes the lead, and another reliever blows it in the 9th. I think you can. But again, it's not official, so there's no rule. I believe that would happen, as long as both relievers were in save situations at the time they entered the game, just like more than one reliever can get a hold in the same game.
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But in this case, that's because Eyre was on the mound when the lead was lost. What if Dempster stayed in the whole time? I still don't think it would be a blown save. You can't really blow something you don't have in the first place. It would have just been a loss, I believe. But it's not really an official stat anyway, so there's isn't a hard and fast rule. And since the save itself can be rewarded subjectively by the official scorer, I wouldn't see why Dempster wouldn't have gotten rung up with a BS if he stayed in the game. That's true in one direction, but not both. An official scorer can refuse to award a save when a pitcher qualifies (although it's rare) because in his judgment the pitcher didn't pitch effectively, but he can't award a save when the pitcher doesn't qualify. And charging a pitcher with a blown save when there isn't a save to blow in the first place seems to me along the same lines as awarding a save when the pitcher doesn't meet the qualifications. I don't know that I'm right and you're wrong about this; I'm just saying what seems logical to me. Maybe Mr. Miles can shed some light on this.
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And one of them may be named Lou Piniella.
