Tyrant

I've seen so many gay jokes on here about Edmonds that I actually thought that said, "I wonder if Edmonds will get boned." Coming from you, I was initially surprised. :shock:

Lee? Really? The only time Lee every says anything publicly is when he whines about booing fans. Right, because to be a team leader you have to air stuff out publicly. Thanks for the sarcasm. It was sooooooo helpful. I see what you did there Not exactly my finest work.

Lee? Really? The only time Lee every says anything publicly is when he whines about booing fans. Right, because to be a team leader you have to air stuff out publicly. Thanks for the sarcasm. It was sooooooo helpful.

Says you. So you're cool with gay jokes? My "says you" was actually in jest.

Says you.

He wasn't a free agent. His agent would still negotiate the contract.

I don't think people actually hate him. But people disliked him because he showboated and got lots of undeserved adulation for unnecessary dives and for being a Cardinal. Plus, he was really good, which made him a villain. He was easy to dislike. Sometimes it's OK to have emotions when you watch a game. You don't have to stay totally detached from everything. It's a game, for crying out loud.

He's a real dirtbag.

That's a good point. Once he's done with arbitration years, he's going to be on the decline and will have a lot of miles on him. Catchers just don't last that long, unfortunately.

That's the first I've heard about Pie living too much of a night life in Chicago. I don't know if it's true or not, but I hate when reporters spread these kinds of things if they don't absolutely know it's true. There was also some talk of this last year. Again, not sure if it's true, but it's been mentioned before.

One more bad start and Marquis is done, I think.

Except Ryan Braun is 500 times better than Corey Patterson.

It's not Soriano's fault that Hendry chased him around with a dump truck full of cash.

Edmonds has hit two career home runs off Greg Maddux, so he totally knows how to do it.

Lee? Really? The only time Lee every says anything publicly is when he whines about booing fans.

Marquis should shut his stupid 1.72 WHIP face. Oh yea, I went there.

Yeah but Edmonds is gritty ... :hello: He's not even gritty, according to those grit rankings FJM talked about a while back: http://www.flotsam-media.com/2007/12/flotsam-data-special-tangiblizing.html

It could certainly be a short tenure with the Cubs for Mr. Craptober. I wasn't sure if the Edmonds move came from Lou or Jim, but I guess this answers that question.

Is Acta the best because he hits Cristian Guzman and his lifetime .302 OBP in the 2 hole? And hits Felipe Lopez and his .328 OBP in the leadoff spot? Read the second post. Wait, I guess this is me assuming that you read the first post and didn't just see Acta's name and go CRISTIAN GUZMAN ZOMG!!1!!11!!!ONE!!! If Lou said he was going to hit someone second because he could hit-and-run or drag bunt a guy over, everyone here would kill him. In fact, I think Lou has said things like that, and people have freaked out. Yes, that's true. But if Manny Acta had our lineup to work with, there would be no way anyone would be allowed to bunt or steal. There's also a very good chance that he would take a look at Pie's minor league numbers and his nearly identical learning curve for each promotion he got, and play him regularly to start the year. Since Cristian Guzman is not good at hitting baseballs, all he can really bring is speed. Bunting and stealing the extent of his contributions. Hitting him second is puzzling but comparing the two managers as if they had the same resources is beyond foolish. I'm not comparing him as if they have the same resources. I'm pointing out examples of him doing things that people here hate about Lou. I've read that FJM piece before, and Acta comes across really well. I think he sounds like a really good manager. My whole point is that every manager is going to make awful decisions. I don't agree with Lou on everything. Not even close. I just think the hyperbole about him being a "terrible" manager is way over the top.

Is Acta the best because he hits Cristian Guzman and his lifetime .302 OBP in the 2 hole? And hits Felipe Lopez and his .328 OBP in the leadoff spot? Read the second post. Wait, I guess this is me assuming that you read the first post and didn't just see Acta's name and go CRISTIAN GUZMAN ZOMG!!1!!11!!!ONE!!! If Lou said he was going to hit someone second because he could hit-and-run or drag bunt a guy over, everyone here would kill him. In fact, I think Lou has said things like that, and people have freaked out.

Is Acta the best because he hits Cristian Guzman and his lifetime .302 OBP in the 2 hole? And hits Felipe Lopez and his .328 OBP in the leadoff spot?

I'm a big believer in stats. But how do you prove any manager's effectiveness with statistical evidence? You can't ask someone to do that, since there are no metrics available. And for those of you who think Lou is a terrible manager, who would you rather have? I'd like to read some discussion on who everyone thinks is actually a really, really good manager.

When people try and support a clealry asinine move like benching Pie for Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds, it's not being reasonable, it's being ridiculous. That's just, like, your opinion, man.

Also, I think it's disappointing that when someone has an opinion that differs from the popular opinion of the board, they're considered to be "picking fights."

No. I think that the handful of people on this board just realize that no manager is perfect. Every fan base in baseball -- save for Braves fans -- ends up hating their manager. I've even heard from Braves fans who don't think Cox is a good manager. This isn't a new argument, but being a manager sucks. If you make the right move, you rarely get credit. And if you make the wrong one, you're criticized. Lou has done a great job installing a new approach to the Cubs. He's not a great in-game manager, but I don't think he's an awful one either. While I think it's important to demand the best, I think fans also have to be reasonable. There's no sense blowing a gasket four times a game over the littlest decision by Lou. Anyway, there I go again. Just arguing so I can be a troll.