Interesting. I had no idea Vincent did that. Why did Selig seemingly have to start from scratch? Something about Vincent's notice/memo must have been solid enough, otherwise Selig could have just used it as precedent. Does anyone have an asnwer for this? I'm not tryin to pick a fight...it really doesn't make any sense to me why Vincent's memo wouldn't hae been used as some kind of precedent. wasn't the disconnect that while the league said PED's were against the rules, the MLBPA wouldn't budge on testing for it, basically making the rule unenforceable? So does that mean Vincent's memo was basically moot and meaningless? i'm sure it was well-intentioned. i don't know the history of the commissionership (word?) well enough to know who let the union have so much power I'm really curious about this now since it seems like such a action would have meant a lot more over the last 10 years, but this is the first I've heard of it. a quick perusal of Vincent's wikipedia page doesn't shed any light on the PED thing, but boy, the owners sure hated that guy. and oh look, it was Selig, Pohlad and Reinsdorf who led the charge to get him booted as commissioner.