Yeah, it really is. The correlation is not 1.0, but they are positively correlated without question. So there's never been a pitcher who has lowered his pitch speed and maintained close to the same effectiveness? He said the correlation was not 1.0. Just because a guy, or some guys can do it on occasion doesn't mean there isn't a correlation though. By and large, if guys lose velocity, they will lose effectiveness. Why can't Harden be one of those guys then? I said it isn't directly proportional, not that there isn't any correlation. I would assume a guy can't until he proves he can. He has looked, to me, far more pedestrian in the games he doesn't have the velocity though. Obviously it plays a major role in his dominance.